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He may have called for it knowing it would be denied.

i think its more likely he wanted the bouzakis match than that this was just a screw up.

it was in a wrestling room, i'm sure because I remember looking at the people on the post and thinking, "WOW this kenny cox kid must have been reallly really good."

i'm seen that poster 1000 times and can't remember which room....

"Have you seen this new pornography? 'Gay porn' they call it......its terrible."

i would have capitalized the 'AC' in mac. "Norm MACdonald" he was always real clunky when mispronouncing his own name.

i'll weigh that against the price of the private schools they attended, NIL/endorsement/scholarship money their reputations have priced them out of, and the bills associated with causing a large car crash.

As much as I don't like the "They are trashy stupiding their way to the bank!" type arguments I have to point out that Kardashians are paid to be stupid and ferrari's pay for the privilege.

It just seems to me that you should have been born there, or actually actually live there.

yeah when I talked about fan mentality i was definitely aware of the penn state magic touch we're all afraid of.... keckeisen at wrong weight btw...

I can sympathize in the sense that I've pointed out multiple times that if you were ranking these guys based only on how mentally tough they were, he was top ten but not 5, and people freak out every time. However you don't have to hold his feet to the fire for 1) things that are ridiculous (this topic) 2)things he has been and will continue to be punished for. Everyone knows how his career ended, and everyone knows how it tarnished his legacy, but them knowing has to be enough. Is your point that you're mad at the general population for not lambasting him more? Sometimes I feel that way about certain people, not in this case.

I'd be curious for someone in support of these athletes to point out where they draw the line in terms of what should constitute citizenship.

yeah probably an under the radar match because you don't think of hamiti as having a lot of momentum, and that might be true or it might be fan mentality.

I'm think we'd be slightly better off if we just beefed up fleeing. The subjectivity of stalling as it stands currently is a source of constant discontent and its not going anywhere. If you are saying "just call stalling" at this point you're part of the problem. Someone brought up a how goofy and arbitrary "grounded" is in freestyle, which is true, but everyone hates people wrestling on their knees anyway and who doesn't hate those guys who can hold on to an elbow on two knees for an hour, why not call pushouts in every neutral situation, and have it not result in a clock stoppage? This would preserve edge wrestling, and stepping out wouldn't bail you out of worse scoring situations like in freestyle. I'm sure someone will point out why that's stupid but I can't see it yet...

yeah but he can't take neutral if its 0-0 starting the 2nd and its his choice. 0-0 with riding time in the third? Sure.

Do you agree that boiling it down to something like "he should have run from upper body ties" is overly simplistic? Cause that's my point, not claiming anyone has been as simplistic as my paraphrase either.

The "action or automatic stalling call" on the edge is a complete joke. For one thing, we all know its an attempt to have a push out, but pretend its not because of freestyle. Unfortunately it sacrificed the best thing about the pushout rule, its very objective and easy to understand, in favor of what we hate about stalling calls, they are often annoyingly subjective. this rule sucks because: 1) its really hard to call consistently. 2) Refs use it based on the situation in the match and not what they just saw. If you are winning with no stalling calls in the third you're really vulnerable. If you are winning in the third with a stall call, you're pretty safe. Put in a pushout, ditch the stalling warning and all the count to 5 nonsense.

Even if the gameplan is as lame as block off and stall on his feet, get an escape if he has to go down in the second, ride his butt off...He's still gonna be really hard to beat.

This isn't true at all. He's the same guy he was a week ago.

he'd beaten him in that position in previous matches too, probably not in his nature to start chickening out of a position he'd been winning. Also he didn't lose cause he got 4'd, he lost because he got turned a bunch.

such a morbid thought, the portal sucks (not just internationally)

I don't think so, those loses, which have me spitting mad, could have been taken by anyone...

Agree top 5. The guy seems to do a lot of important things, which aren't at all flashy, really well. He's persistent and in shape, shoots enough to keep people honest, competent but not amazing on the mat and in scrambles, never gets beaten badly in tie ups....he's just a tough out.

are you trying to be funny when you say iowa guys running off the mat is specific to ncaa losses?

watching the way zadick ran off the mat after that match always makes me feel terrible for him, dudes in shock.