Tigerfan

Wrestlestat does it that way. I don’t know about NCAA. Is bonus rate a seeding criteria? I don’t think so. No one cares about their Most Dominant award/ranking, do they?

If the dual is out of reach, BIG IF, he could plead nagging injuries/wanting completely healthy for post season. Why risk aggravating little injuries, which they almost all have at this point, in a meaningless dual so close to post season? Something like that. If Carr can win the dual for ISU with a win, a duck is unlikely, but still possible.

While we’re on it, it annoys me that wrestlers bonus pct is calculated only on their wins, instead of their total matches. If you’ve lost 3 times, your bonus pct should not be 100%.

Contrary to popular opinion, I think Carr is likely to duck. His best chance is the first match, before O’Toole can adjust his game plan, and that would be Big12 finals for #1 seed at Nationals. If he loses, he still likely gets a 3 seed. But 2 losses might slide him to 4th seed. Plus Dresser is a master gamer, having invented the teammate open to create false qualifiers.

I agree that it’s too soon to call O’Toole a lock, but now that he’s healthy again, I don’t see him being challenged. He just majored Sheets, who Carr barely beat, and Griffith doesn’t seem to have improved much, although he does peak for NCAA’s. He probably doesn’t move to lock territory unless he wins convincingly this year.

Took a class with Terry Davis, the author, where we studied his book. I think he’d say that Louden was a curious observer of the human condition. He found homosexuality interesting, precisely because it was so foreign to him. He was not embarrassed to discuss or acknowledge those aspects of life/wrestling, just as he was not ashamed to admit he was obsessed with vaginas/women. His grandfather was a model of masculinity, which he also felt he didn’t meet, but that whole relationship was largely ignored in the screenplay.

Dual starting now on ESPN+

Mizzou finishes up 33-3 over OU. Lots of good, hard fought matches by OU, but Mizzou just a tad better/more experienced.

Mizzou up 13-3 at the break. Surtin majored Prata and Hart lost a close one to Schwartz.

Actually, St Louis was guilty of spreading misinformation with the arch claim. The vast majority of wagon trains taking settlers out west left from St Joseph, Mo, north and quite a bit west of St Louis.

Mizzou has 2 guys ranked 9th. With a very slight over performance, Mizzou would have 2 champs and 7 total AA’s, yet still likely finish a distant 2nd. Hard to believe how dominant we’ve all come to expect PSU to be.

We all know that asst. coaches around the country each spend hours compiling and updating complete rankings 1-33 for each weight. They pay no attention to Intermat, Flo, or any other media rankings, thus when tasked to provide rankings for the official coaches rank, used by seeding criteria, those rankings are unsullied by the whimsical and capricious rankings done by possibly unscrupulous media sources. Geez!

Henning must have been paying attention to fellow Wisconsinite Askren, who was already a 2x finalist when Henning achieved AA status with 8th place in 2006. Not sure I’d say he perfected the pass the ankle scramble, but was more of an early adopter of Askren’s sport-changing innovations with scrambling.

Brian Smith has coached at Mizzou since 1998. I’d love to see his numbers in the table if you have them. So, bottom line is Gable is superior to Sanderson as a coach, unless PSU actually does much better for the next 5-10 years than they have recently. Hard to imagine, really. Surely PSU can’t get much better, Unless of course they dig even deeper into their RTC funds to supplement things.

Terribly sorry WKN, but I’m too busy to help bake the bread, but I will help eat it.

Coach Clemsen is top notch. It was tough watching him struggle his first few years, but his team’s steady improvement was totally predictable. I tried to compliment him at the Scuffle about his team getting respect finally, and his response was, “Well, you gotta earn it.”

I think Woods/Alirez might just be the match of the tourney this year. Haven’t seen Woods yet, but Alirez has RBY-type speed and stingy defense. I was gonna say he won’t be threatened, but Woods’ results are impressive. Not so sure Hardy has separated from the pact the way those 2 have. I’m really pulling for T-Nick to get a champ at NCO.

I’ve only ever watched him wrestle O’Toole, so I was unaware of this.

2 questions for the guru of stats. Could you do a list for active coaches only? I assume your AA numbers reflect 4 AA’s for a single, 4x AA stud. Could you show # of unique wrestlers to AA? Does a coach who gets 10 guys to AA 12x deserve more or less credit than a coach who gets 3 guys to AA 12x?

O’Toole is a little banged up, has been all year. It’s obvious when you think about it. Do people really think others are gaining ground on him, that his 2 pins this year are consistent with who he’s been the last 2 years? He’s hurt and wore out, but won’t quit. Coaches have to lock him out. They want to make sure he’s rested and healthy. You may have noticed that 165 is a fairly tough weight this year.

I remember a few years back where Headshuck, I think, pointed out the statistical difference between a team with 10 qualifiers vs one with 5, even if those five were all highly seeded. 10 possible scorers made it less likely they would score less than projected points, due to unseeded guys scoring more than expected, while highly seeded guys have way more room to underscore rather than over score their projections. Something like that anyway. Wkn’s method seems to codify that principle very well. Mizzou this year is a great example, with 4 guys ranked between 9-11. Much more likely that they push 1 or 2 of those guys into AA scoring position even though traditional projections would almost completely discount them.

Problem is we can’t get together. Wrestling has proven to be able to mobilize and save programs, even the Olympics, but there are clearly 2 camps, Cael and to a lesser extent Brands, then everyone else. But everyone else, fan wise, probably barely equals PSU and Iowa, if that. If the other 75 programs all agreed, without PSU and Iowa support, nothing will change on the NCAA level.

Tough to take losses when you don’t wrestle.

Alirez looks impressive, for sure. Btw, Brown suffered a broken nose and concussion. That’s 3 in one round for Mizzou. But they’ll recover.

No kidding, I guess getting thrashed by O’Toole daily has made him rise to the occasion, rather than demoralize and fade away. Dude flurries with such intensity and physicality. Fun to watch.