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If the plan, or idea, is for Arnold to actually go the better (best) option is a winner chooses sort of wrestle-off between him and Kennedy. I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that Arnold beats Kennedy. If the scenario plays out to Arnold wrestling 184 at the Salute, I don't think you have him go back down to 174 in any scenario for the balance of the year... even if it means him wrestling against Sta(l)rocci becomes a no-go (sorry Wkn).

I am all for both of these. Kennedy likely is too small for 184, but I don't think he is too weak for 184. Guy has had old man strength since the age of three. EDIT: Also, it would be a sort of poetic justice win for me. I was pushing for Caliendo to 184 because I know the guy is a physical animal and wouldn't have a problem as far as strength goes. The ole switcharoo... the OTHER AA caliber 165lber does the double bump.

Exactly why I said let him go at the Soldier Salute at 184 and against Penn State at 184 (or even 174 IDGAF... Sta(l)rocci likely wins 184 were he to go there, too). If he beats, or at the very least is in both of those matches all the way through, you let him go the rest of the year. You gear up and have him wrestle some lower Opens to get him more wins at 184, if the potential is tehre.

He is too on the list.

I was really hoping to see him and Ayala swap 125/133 this year.

I think you need to eat your hat on this one... The only mention of 'previously qualified' is for the Last Chance - see Bold, Underlined area below. a) Past USA World Championships or Olympic Games Participant or Final World or Olympic Team Trials Champion Any past Senior Freestyle World Championships participant and/or Final World or Olympic Team Trials Champion from 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 or 2023 is automatically qualified to enter the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling. b) 2023 U17 World Championships (August, 2023) Any 2023 U17 Freestyle World Championships gold medalist is automatically qualified to enter the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling c) 2023 U20 World Championships (August, 2023) Any 2023 U20 Freestyle World Championships gold medalist is automatically qualified to enter the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling d) 2023 Senior World Championships (September, 2023) i. Any 2023 Senior World Championship Freestyle Medalist, at an Olympic weight, will earn an automatic berth into the final wrestle-off (i.e., Day Two) at the same weight they won a medal in the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling. ii. Any 2023 Senior World Championship Freestyle Medalist, at a non-Olympic weight, will earn an automatic berth into the semifinals (i.e., Day One) at a weight category immediately adjacent (one weight class up or down) from their 2023 Senior World Championship weight category. e) 2023 U23 World Championships (October, 2023) Any 2023 U23 Freestyle USA World Championships gold medalist is automatically qualified to enter the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling. f) 2023 Bill Farrell International Open (November, 2023) The highest placed Senior Freestyle USA athlete per weight category, that places in the top 4, who has yet to qualify, will earn a spot in the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials - Wrestling. g) 2023 U.S. Olympic Trials Qualifier (December, 2023) The Senior Freestyle top 5 finishers per weight category at the 2023 USA Wrestling Olympic Trials Qualifier will earn a spot in the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling. h) 2024 Pan American Championships (February, 2024) Any Senior Freestyle Gold Medalist at the 2024 Pan American Championships will earn a spot in the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling. i) 2024 Pan American Olympic Qualifier (March, 2024) The Senior Freestyle USA athlete who qualifies the Olympic weight category at the Pan American Olympic Qualifier will earn a spot in the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling. j) NCAA Division I Championships (March, 2024) The 2024 NCAA Division I champion will earn a spot in the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling at the weight category they choose. k) Final 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials Qualifier (March, 2024) The Freestyle champion of this event per weight category will qualify for the 2024 U.S. Olympic Trials – Wrestling. Athletes who have already qualified will NOT be allowed to compete in this event.

Right now, quantity is all we can say of the registration(s): MGR: 60 KG - 3 67 KG - 2 77 KG - 5 87 KG - 2 97 KG - 4 130 KG - 4 Total - 20 MFS: 57 KG - 5 65 KG - 4 74 KG - 6 86 KG - 5 97 KG - 3 125 KG - 1 Total - 24 WFS: 50 KG - 2 53 KG - 5 57 KG - 5 62 KG - 4 68 KG - 1 76 KG - 2 Total - 19

Anyone else super pissed and annoyed that you cannot see the registration list now? They changed their website formatting the day before the Bill Farrell and it is for every event now - which is stupid.

You make excellent points and suggestions. That said, even with the International events onsite, there are overlap issues that come up. At one point in Belgrade I believe all three mats were awaiting review and they did it one at a time, so there was a substantial pause in the action. That is/was an acceptable option for the highest tier of wrestling in the world, so I don't see a reason I should disagree with it on a D1 dual level format. This becomes an additional accrued cost, though. Does the NCAA foot the bill? They already don't like paying moneys.

That is the dicks-licks-aw-yeah for ya. That said, I think it was that latter part of what you said. Both, with the note that Tom and Terry beat both Dresser and the Refs.

Has anyone in here said Iowa State yet? Tom and Terry ran circles around Dresser yesterday.

The reasons are overhead. When I say an independent review team I mean a full set of guys, not just another ref. If you watch any reviews on the international circuit you see a full three gents looking at the monitor while they do it. You can't do that at any level aside for the B1G... maybe ACC/B12 as well, but the rest won't have the resources to do it. The reasoning is that when/if they were to do it, it would need to be done the same way across the board.

No, they wrestled the 1 second of that match. My mind might be fuzzy as of now - a lot of Jagerbombs and as a 56 year old man they make things fuzzy. I thought there was something there with clock management that made this match controversial as well as there being two instances where Chittum 'nearly' had the TD, not just the one that was reviewed. In any case you can take that one back and it is still 40% of the matches where he dropped the ball just purely as a coach. Getting $300k a year? He doesn't deserve that this year after that one.

There were two there, weren't there? One in the second and one at the end? I don't think they reviewed both? Also the timeclock being different/wrong. Wasn't that this match?

Which is precisely why there should be an independent review team. I understand not doing it for duals, because that is a lot of extra overhead, but for large tournaments. On the international level you see it. It keeps refs honest. Edit: If it is one thing aside for Dresser getting completely outcoached that we all can agree on, I think it is that the refs last night were not honest. How does Iowa outpace Iowa State in takedowns yet get called twelve times for stalling where Iowa State got zero calls? Please refer to the Carr-Caliendo match for example. Caliendo first got called for stalling while he was actively attempting to circle, set up a shot, and shoot... WHILE SHOOTING!

Still a lot of folks pissing and moaning on Twatter about the 'noncall' or 'timeclock' thing being a thing. And because he had dropped the ball elsewhere, it is easy to point fingers at him for that one too.

I think guys can steal spots here. I think it is Last Chance where they cannot enter if they are already qualified.

TLDR. I just wanted to come in and say that regardless of what my vote might have been for before, after last night I don't see a way the vote isn't Tom and Terry. They just outcoached the shit out of Dresser and it wasn't even close. The running them for Iowa State last night was this... 141 - Dresser: Year I messed up there. 157 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 174 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 184 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. 197 - Dresser: Yeah I messed up there. Five matches, or 5/10 where he dropped the ball as the HC. I am curious if they consider swapping Broderson and Feldkamp at this point for some duals, because Broderson at 197 did not want to be there against a Fringe T24 type guy in Glazier. What do you think he is going to do against the brutes of 197 in Hidlay, Beard, Brooks, Poznanski, Surber, Smith, Joles, Allred, etc... or the guys that are so much longer in Elam, Sloan, Shaw, Cardenas, etc?

I think an in-shape PK can potentially score more at 174 because of the lack of depth there compared to 165 right now. Right now he needs to get his cardio under him or go on the Spencer Lee diet of trying to ensure first period Techs. Right now his cardio is a big problem and I am not willing to give him any points at 174. Once he gets the cardio under his belt we can entertain his options at 174. He is small, or at least he looked small against Gaitan... which is surprising because PK dwarfed Facundo when they met at WNO, 170lbs (PK coming down from 182lbs and Facundo coming up from 160lbs). I don't think strength will be a problem for him, but I don't know that he is even at ~175lbs right now. He looks closer to 165lbs than 174lbs. At 174 right now this is what I have for Tiers: - Tier 1 - Stalrocci, Penn State - Tier 2 - EMPTY - Tier 3 - Lewis, Virginia Tech Griffith, Michigan - Tier 4 - Kharchla, the Ohio State Ruth, Illinois Mocco, Mizzou Wittlake, Oregon State - Tier 5 - Gaitan, Iowa State Washington, Indiana Kemp, Cal Poly DeVos, South Dakota State Conigliaro, Harvard O'Malley, Drexel Incontera, Penn Brennan, Arkansas-Little Rock Right now I put PK firmly in 'Tier 5' but if he gets a gas tank under him he could get up to a 'Tier 4' sort of level. That puts his peak potential at around 4th place, but he could lose to anyone in Tier 4 and Tier 5 still - keeping in mind in my 'tier' systems you can beat a guy up or down a tier from you and not have it be a big surprise. I see what you are saying about Feldkamp, however I don't think he was horsing Gabe around... I think he was using length/leverage - which Feldkamp does to everyone and then uses that leverage to walk away via a Pinfell victory. Gabe was able to counter that with superior hips as well as being stronger (him circling each time was a sign that strength was not a problem). I am not an Iowa fan... you all know this. I am a Michigander (UofM, MSU, CMU, Michigan kids) then B1G then MAC. You guys know this. That said, if he goes 184, I think his peak potential at 184 is the same as 174. He might now be beating Keckeisen or Sta(l)rocci, but he is right in there to beat anyone else at either of those weights. Kennedy isn't doing anything at 184. He was small and without a tank against 174lb Gaitan. Imagine what those matches look like last night had they done Kennedy at 184 and Arnold at 174. Commical, probably, and Feldkamp likely decks Kennedy - giving Iowa State the victory. At the end of the day you aren't convincing me that Arnold, who beat Wittlake (Wittlake lost to Munoz 4-3 last year at 184, btw) and Feldkamp (7th at 184 last year) wouldn't be able to do something at 184, were he given the chance. EDIT: As a disclaimer, my Tiers might be missing a gent or two in Tier 4/5. I am okay with that. I wasn't trying to list 77 gents out in Tier order and I don't like going past Tier 5.

Until the 2nd semester starts he must be attached, I thought.

No connection. A fan of his style of wrestling, even if he is undersized at 184.

I said in the OP. Parker Keckeisen should be there.

If you are Iowa, with Kennedy back and presumably donning the 1-7-4 for them for this season, what do you do at 184 with Swafford and Arnold? This is what I would do: Wrestle him attached at 184 at the Soldier Salute. Parker Keckeisen should be there. Also, you enter Swafford and maybe even Riggins? That becomes his 4th weigh-in. You then wrestle him unattached in an open or three until the Penn State dual. Meanwhile Swafford is still manning the spot. Hell, maybe Swafford ends up being the guy. I would be super cool with that and am actually disappointed we didn't get to see him tonight. That said, if he can beat either Keckeisen and/or Truax I think you burn it. He would probably get three at the Soldier Salute, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma State to put him at 13 matches prior yo B1Gs at the very least. He can probably get anywhete from ?6-12?matches while wrestling unattached at a few different opens (Edinboro, Kauffman, Don Parker, Last Chance to name a few possible). Thoughts?

Rojas at 197 for Iowa State anyone?