They're all counter and defensive wrestlers, although Eierman evolved some. Every match Jacques had against decent guys was like 1-2 or 2-3, or OT. He could keep everything close, but couldn't score off his own offense. I think people have figured this out vs Mauller too. Against weaker guys, he's a scoring machine, but against better wrestlers he reverts to his old ways. He'll be down in the 3rd and won't even take a decent shot until it's too late. And the bump to 157 didn't help. Not sure what the hell he was thinking after his RS year at that weight.