ThreePointTakedown

Totally get it. It just bothers me that the 'personal responsibility' people don't want to see nuance in situations or understand that right and wrong can look pretty grey to someone from a different perspective. Not that they are wrong necessarily but to not lock themselves into a right/wrong way of thinking. I feel its a way of saying 'my moral code' without saying it. But i could be wrong.

That's a pretty nebulous term. Can you see any way that 'societal values' can be twisted to fit just about any action or outcome?

Can 'personal responsibility' be twisted to 'whatever I think is right at the time'? If so, what good is this foundation?

Who decides what constitutes a 'responsible' act?

What is the difference between holding someone accountable and blaming?

This is fun.

What about the principle of 'it takes a village'? You can be helped greatly or harmed irreparably from those around you. Should we not strive for justice in those unfortunate situations?

If your point was to highlight that redlining happened and the effects still linger today. Well done.

Can you defend yourself from this same argument?

Correct me if I'm wrong. But how you worded it makes me feel that your opinion of the reason someone 'deserves it' should just be trusted as true?

How do you define partisan? If we all have a common understanding maybe we can figure it out.

Manfort gives campaign and polling data to Kilimnek. From AP Article. 'A key episode examined by Mueller involved Manafort’s decision to share campaign polling data with Kilimnik — something prosecutors say Manafort lied about when questioned. Investigators scrutinized a series of secretive encounters between the men, including one in August 2016 at the Grand Havana Club in New York. There, according to statements provided by Mueller, Manafort briefed Kilimnik on internal campaign data and messaging and they discussed battleground states. The exchange of polling data was an eye-catching data point, especially since it suggested Russia could have exploited such inside information to target influence campaigns aimed at boosting Trump’s election bid in 2016. But Mueller’s team said it couldn’t “reliably determine” Manafort’s purpose in sharing it, nor assess what Kilimnik may have done with it — in part due to questions over Manafort’s credibility. The Senate committee also came up empty, though its report drew attention for its characterization of Kilimnik as a Russian intelligence officer.' Not no evidence. Just couldn't question Kilimnik and Manafort is a known liar. Definitely hired the best!

And they were wrong about it. Did Russia interfere with the election? Yes. Did 45's campaign help to facilitate it? Maybe but hasn't been proven to enough of an extent to bring charges. Were they whining a bit because of the surprise swing? Probably. I think the majority of the country that voted for someone else did too. Then more people voted against 45 the next time. I'm guessing that trend will continue. Did members of the campaign or DNC leadership try to muddy the water with fake electors? Nope, sure didn't.

Can I ask why this quote resonates with you so much? Is hate the only option. Why does this person feel that using that word will convey the message they want to send and what is that message? I don't hate anyone. A bad idea is just as easy to come across for everyone on the political spectrum. Another quote: "it so happens that the pervasive racism that black students supposedly encountered at every turn on campus and in town was not apparent to me during the four years that I taught at Cornell and lived in Ithaca." they said about students at Cornell involved in a protest. Basically, he's saying they were lying because it didn't happen to a professor of the same university at the same time. So it couldn't possibly be true. But that's not how truth works. Still no reason to take this person seriously. Research appeal to authority and it might help you find better source material.

Like I said, your need to put someone in a box to simply things is astounding. You must be terrified with all the nuance going on around you. Best of luck with that.

Let me apologies to all those on this board that have taken offense. If being courteous to a person and not assuming their pronouns is triggering for you and makes you lash out because you desperately need to put people in a box. Sucks to suck. If you post something but show no signs that you've absorbed it at all. There is no reason for me to either. I'm sorry you're so lazy! I hope you feel heard. If you need a hug or want to have a conversation. I'm here for you and whatever pronouns you use.

Oh do tell? On the edge of my seat to see your explanation. Will you even attempt to answer that question? I doubt it, coward! If you do, will you make wild accusations with no evidence? Yes. Let me repeat.... COWARD!

As soon as they correct me, I'll be happy to use their preferred one. Not gonna read it until you've proven that you have.

Holy cow, I didn't even watch the video before posting my response... wow was I underselling his moronic-ness. They were treated like second class citizens so you could be here, treated as... still not equal citizens, you should be grateful! How can anyone, actually, believe that is a reasonable or justifiable thing to say? Granted its a complex issue, but shaming people, which is virtue signaling, for having mistreated ancestors and telling them they need to stay in their place and be happy about it, is wrong.

This person is an idiot. An elected official should not be able to hold their job after saying some of the horrible things they have said.

How is any party backing this person? What does it say about the principles of the party?

When has that ever happened?

You can't help yourself can you? Why do you dislike someone so much for no other reason then they just disagree with you and won't let you forget it. Convince me and you won't have to deal with me anymore.

Not the greatest. Better than the last guy by far. Most progressive President we've ever had. Hasn't pardoned his campaign manager or other members associated with his administration that defrauded donors. Still has his flaws.

Was anyone hurt?