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And as a very long-time Oakland A's fan I have to say that the lack of spending by the A's has been a definite factor in their awful win loss record over the last decade. Currently the A's have the very worst won loss record in MLB (3-10). Yet they continue to implement that strategy - which did work for a while but no longer works. Bottom line is if you want to have success you have to spend the money. Going the cheap route just doesn't get it done.

Lilledahl was a H.S. Freshman in 2021. So he won't be a H.S. Senior until next season.

According to the Stanford twitter page he is a "recruit" for Stanford. Yet there has been no mention of him on the WrestleStat list of recruits (as far as I can tell) or on the Intermat list of recruits.

Great name for a wrestler, that being Thor Michaelson, of Bremerton,WA. He apparently committed to Stanford last year as this article is dated from Nov. 1, 2022, and he was already committed then. But I've seen nothing about him on the WrestleStat recruiting list or on Intermat, etc. Michaelson won the Washington 2-A State championship at 170 lbs with two wins by Fall and two Tech-Falls. He also won the Washington 2-A State championship at 160 lbs in 2022. And he was also the 2020 Washington 2-A State runner-up at 138 lbs. The article goes into why he is referred to as a "long-shot" https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/sports/2022/11/01/bremerton-washington-high-school-wrestler-thor-michaelson-commits-stanford-cardinal/10627884002/ My question is -------- is he still committed to Stanford? The article mentions that he chose to commit to Stanford over other schools including Oregon State.

So would Griffith.

I understand your train of thought here. Or maybe not. I'm thinking you believe that Ysaguirre will drop down to 133 and that Teemer will move up to 165 lbs. And the rest of the low to middle weight classes will be Figueroa (125) - Vasquez (141) - Parco or Ramos (149) - Parco or Ramos (157). Correct me on what I have wrong here.

ASU would still need someone for 197 lbs and for 285 lbs as well IF Schultz takes the Olympic RS. I could see them going to the transfer portal for someone for 133, 165, 197 & 285.

Since Nagao is from California I have to wonder if Arizona State is trying to get him on the phone right now to replace McGee at 133.

I would also include Garrett Grice now formerly of Virginia at 133 - Cannon is ranked by WS at # 14 and Grice is # 15. Also Grice went 13-2 at 133 lbs as a True FR last season. Alvarez and Decatur are not listed on the Transfer Portal list on WS. There is also Travis Mastrogiovanni of Oklahoma State at 157 lbs.

In fact Griffith is the only Stanford guy who is currently listed in the transfer portal (according to WS)

Griffith is in the transfer portal - according to WrestleStat's transfer portal list. 4 Griffith, Shane | SR Stanford PAC 12

I don't know which was more ridiculous............the idiotic predictions of nhs67 Or the pathetic & incompetent streaming by Arizona State last night. But you expect the former to be idiotic. He seems to enjoy it.

never mind

Your own words here you DOLT "Using what each school projected as it's starter and Wrestlestat projects a 25-6 Rutgers victory."

Not mine - WrestleStat's. You do know how to use WrestleStat's dual comparison feature don't ya?

Just as it is outlined above (and below here) 125 - Figueroa 133 - McGee 141 - Vasquez 149 - Parco 157 - Wilner 165 - Negron 174 - Nummer 184 - Montalvo 197 - Fagen 285 - Palosika

Funny, I came up with a score of Rutgers 22 - Arizona State 14 with the listed ASU starters vs the Rutgers starters.

I posted that same lineup yesterday in the PAC 12 schedule for this weekend thread here. https://intermatforums.com/topic/143-pac-12-wrestling-events-nov-12-thru-nov-14-2022/ My GUESS is they are going with a lot of the 2nd string guys (or 3rd string?) and keeping most of the starters for the tournament on Sunday. But that is just what I said it was - a GUESS.

If one wrestling team has a dual match with another wrestling team and SEVEN of the 10 starters for one team are not in the lineup for that dual.........is it REALLY an actual dual or just an imaginary event? It certainly wouldn't be a representative example of one of the two teams, i.e., a team without 7 of their 10 starters is nothing at all like that team with all 10 starters in the lineup.

Here's a url link to where this article can be seen online: https://scarletknights.com/news/2022/11/10/wrestling-2022-22-opening-weekend.aspx

According to a web article found on the Rutgers wrestling website the following is the projected lineup for Arizona State in their match vs Rutgers on Saturday. According to this lineup ASU will be without their starters at 125 lbs, 157 lbs, as well as 197 lbs and 285 lbs and possibly at 133 lbs, 141 lbs and 174 lbs.

"listed in the 2023 now". What does that mean? He's not listed on the 2023 ASU team roster or on WrestleStat's roster for ASU. Did you mean to say he is now a part of the 2023 Arizona State recruiting class? And, if so, where would one see evidence of that?

Looks like the change of scenery has done him good.

SATURDAY Nov. 12, 2022 Stanford @ the Mountaineer Inv. - Boone, N.C. - All Day Cal Poly & Little Rock @ the Tiger Style Inv. - Kansas City, MO. - All Day Arizona State @ Rutgers - 3 p.m. MT (5 p.m. E.T.) - Bethlehem, PA SUNDAY Nov. 13, 2022 Oregon State vs. Linfield College and Clackamas C.C. - 2 p.m. PT - Corvallis, OR SUNDAY Nov. 13, 2022 & MONDAY Nov. 14, 2022 Arizona State @ Journeyman/Defense Soap Collegiate Classic - Bethlehem, PA - All Day

I looked at this matchup several weeks ago - prior to the news that Teemer was out for the year - and even with Teemer in the lineup ASU loses this dual vs. MO. But here's how I see it going (without Teemer): 125 - ASU - Courtney by Dec over Surtin - 3-0 ASU 133 - ASU - McGee by Dec over Brown - 6-0 ASU 141 - MO - Hart by Dec over Vasquez - 6-3 ASU 149 - MO - Mauller by Dec over Parco - 6-6 157 - MO - Jacques by MD over Ramos or Wilner - 10-6 MO 165 - MO - O'Toole by MD over Negron - 14-6 MO 174 - MO - Mocco by Dec over Valencia - 17-6 MO 184 - ASU - Montalvo by Dec over Harman - 17-9 MO 197 - MO - Elam by Dec over Norfleet - 20-9 MO 285 - ASU - Schultz by Dec over Elam - 20-12 MO Plug Teemer into the lineup at 157 lbs and ASU wins by Dec at 157 lbs - which ultimately changes the final score by 3 points on both sides, i.e., 17-15 MO.