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Darracott is a RS Senior. He redshirted a long time ago. Monteiro is definitely not redshirting. He's participated in 6 dual matches this season. He's also wrestled 14 matches this season (7-7 record). Norman has been in 4 dual matches this season. And he's wrestled in 16 matches this season (9-7 record). Michaelson has not competed at all. Yet he's the one Stanford has for 174 lbs on the 2024 PAC 12 bracket.

PAC 12 brackets released: https://pac-12.com/article/2024/03/06/pac-12-announces-2024-wrestling-championship-bracket Have to wonder why Stanford is going with untested Thor Michaelson at 174 lbs rather than Tye Monteiro or Lorenzo Norman or even Darracott.

The PAC 2 and the MWC do appear to be headed towards a merger however if that does happen it won't occur until two years down the road (2026-2027). Don't rule out the possibility that Oregon State and WSU will join Cal and Stanford and go to the A.C.C. Even if they did merge with the MWC and Wyoming and Air Force were to join Oregon State for wrestling they would still be only three wrestling programs. Obviously they need a minimum of six to be a viable conference for NCAA Div. 1 wrestling. Speaking of which maybe I missed this but what will happen to the Cal Poly and Cal State Univ. @ Bakersfield wrestling programs after this season?

Just how I'd predict the top three at the (final?) PAC 12 wrestling tournament 125 - Figueroa (VERY hot right now) - Kaylor or Provo 133 - Bailey - Romney - Chlebove 141 - Vasquez - Belton - Miranda (Vasquez beat Belton 5-2 last season) 149 - Parco - Abas - Lamer 157 - Teemer - Cardenas - Bianchi 165 - Bianchi - Garvin - McLane 174 - Olguin - Monteiro - Kemp 184 - Munoz - Wills - Darrah 197 - Little - Stemmet - Rademacher 285 - Schultz - Hill - Tinker

I noticed on the ASU wrestling website story on this match that they mentioned the Seniors who participated in the Senior Day activities and the only ASU starter mentioned was Tony Negron (184). Negron is listed as a RS Senior on the ASU roster and so is Jacori Teemer (157) and Chance McLane (165). This would seem to indicate Negron won't be returning for 2025 but Teemer and McLane will be returning. That meaning ASU will return 9 of 10 starters for 2025. 125 lbs - Richard Figueroa - 2025 RS Junior 133 lbs - Julian Chlebove - 2025 RS Senior 141 lbs - Jesse Vasquez - 2025 Senior 149 lbs - Kyle Parco - 2025 RS Senior 157 lbs - Jacori Teemer - 2025 6th year Senior 165 lbs - Chance McLane - 2025 6th year Senior 174 lbs - Cael Valencia - 2025 RS Junior 184 lbs - _____________________ 197 lbs - Jacob Meissner - 2025 RS Sophomore 285 lbs - Cohlton Schultz - 2025 RS Senior I wonder how guys like Emilio Ysaguirre (2025 RS SO at 141 lbs) and Kaleb Larkin (2025 RS FR at 149 lbs) and Nicco Ruiz (2025 RS FR at 165/174 lbs) and Mykey Ramos (2025 RS JR at 149 lbs) fit into that lineup for 2025. I could see Ruiz moving up to 174 lbs with Valencia moving up to 184 lbs for 2025.

That "story" had all the meat and substance of a NOTHING BURGER.

As recently as yesterday the Stanford wrestling schedule and my Sling TV schedule for the PAC 12 Bay Area channel showed the Oregon State @ Stanford match - scheduled for 3 p.m. MT tomorrow (Sunday 2-18-24) - would be televised on that channel. Just like they said the Cal Poly @ Stanford match would be televised last week. NOW - as of this morning that match has been removed from the schedule on Sling TV - and a check of the school's schedule is saying now it will be on the PAC 12-Live and you can only watch it if you happen to get your internet service from one of their handful of listed providers. A PAC 12 basketball game is now in that time slot on the PAC 12 Bay Area channel. Last week the PAC 12 only televised HALF of the Cal Poly @ Stanford wrestling match (total tv time was 1 hour 2 minutes.). This week - unless you happen to have their version of the "right" internet provider you will not be able to watch the Oregon State @ Stanford. I literally could not be less surprised by this. They still have the Stanford @ Arizona State match on the Sling TV schedule for 1 p.m. today - but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to be available. With the PAC 12 in charge who knows what might happen at the last second if it involves a wrestling match?

Great hire. Adam is a terrific individual and Utah Valley - IMO - is fortunate to have him as their next head wrestling coach.

Posting a link to a story that was released AUGUST 5th of LAST YEAR???? Brilliant....................NOT!!!! It's not like it's MORE than 6 months old now..............oh wait....................YES IT IS.

Not only does his confidence not look the same as it was when he was at Stanford (and last season) but he simply does not look the same this season and his results prove that beyond what anyone else says to the contrary. He has lost two consecutive matches - first to a True Freshman at Michigan (Lemley) by a 12 point MD and second to Penn State's Beau Bartlett (7-2) - who has now moved up to # 1 in that weight class after beating Woods.

Personally I've never been a fan of the Iowa wrestling program but having said that I can only comment on what I have observed of the one former PAC 12 wrestler who chose to transfer to Iowa. That being, of course, Real Woods. What I've observed of Woods since he enrolled at Iowa is a wrestler whose talent level has been diminished He was at roughly the same level - talent wise - LAST season (for his first season at Iowa)...........but to say he's NOT the same wrestler (this season) that he was at Stanford or even last season should be blatantly obvious. So what has caused his decline? I think the answer to that question is blatantly obvious.

Hard to say how it's all going to shake out considering they will almost certainly go "shopping" via the transfer portal - particularly for 197 lbs.

So my saying "I have to wonder why" - in the alternate universe where YOU live - is "bitching". WOW - seek psychiatric help immediately.

Agreed. I can see one of three or four teams being the champion this season.

Correction - the Flo Wrestling ranking/rating for Schultz is supposed to have been # 4 (not # 5). An error on my part.

285 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average Schultz - Arizona St. - 4--------------4----------5------------5----------4.25 Hill - Little Rock ------24-------------22--------17------------22---------21.25 McDermott - Oregon St. - 25---------24--------18-----------24----------22.75 Tinker - Cal Poly -----23-------------23--------___-----------23----------23 Ming - Stanford ------34-------------___--------___----------___----------34 Andrews - CSB-------54-------------____-------____---------___----------54

Very well said. I am of the same opinion which is why I took it upon myself to do this as a comparison of whatever one calls them - rankings or ratings or whatever. Another good example is Kemp of Cal Poly at 174 lbs. WS has him at # 27 yet the other three have him at either # 9 or # 10.

197 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average Little - Little Rock -------14-----------9---------9------------10-----------10.5 Stemmet - Stanford-----17 ----------17--------19------------17------------17.5 Rademacher - Oregon St. - 32-------28-------___------------28------------29.33 Priest - Cal Poly ---------53---------___-------___------------___-----------53 Meissner - Arizona St.----72---------___-------___-----------___------------72 Dove - Cal St. Bakersfield - 76--------___-------___-----------___-----------76

184 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average Munoz - Oregon St. - 4----------------4--------3-------------4-----------3.75 Wills - Little Rock ----22--------------___------___------------___---------- 22 Darrah - Stanford --- 37--------------___------___------------____----------37 Negron - Arizona St. - 41 -------------27------___------------26----------- 31.33 LaRosa - Cal Poly ----52 -------------___------___ -----------___------------52 Smelser - CSB -------75--------------___------___------------___------------75

174 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average Kemp - Cal Poly-----27 ------------- 9 -----------9---------10-------------13.75 Ruiz - Arizona St. ----18 (@ 165 lbs) ___---------____--------___------------18 Norman - Stanford - 13--------------16---------____---------29------------19.33 Olguin - Oregon St. - 22-------------___---------____--------25-------------23.5 Brennan - Little Rock - 31------------23---------___---------___------------27 Valencia - Arizona St. - 48-----------___---------____--------___------------48 Garcia - CSB ----------57-----------___---------___---------___------------57

Delayed by a power outage here locally. Back to it: 165 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average J. Bianchi - Little Rock - 22----------24---------___----------28-----------24.67 Garvin - Stanford-------27----------25---------___-----------24----------25.33 McLane - Arizona St.---36----------___---------___-----------32---------34 Fouret - Oregon St.-----44---------___----------___----------___----------44 Escobedo - CSB -------58----------___----------____---------___----------58 Goldfeder - Cal Poly ---72----------____---------____---------____---------72

157 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average Teemer - Arizona St - 7---------------3-----------4-------------3---------4.25 Cardenas - Stanford - 8---------------8----------7--------------6---------7.25 M. Bianchi - Little Rock - 34----------31---------___-------------26-------30.33 L. Lamer - Cal Poly ---38-------------32---------___------------31--------33.67 Crosby - Oregon St. - 41--------------___--------___------------___--------41 Flores-Che - CSB --- 70--------------___--------___------------___--------70

149 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average Parco - Arizona State - 3------------4----------4-----------4------------3.5 C. Lamer - Cal Poly----5-------------5----------5-----------5------------5 Abas - Stanford-------15------------21---------12-----------11-----------14.75 Singleton - Oregon St. - 44----------19--------____----------26----------29.67 Dutton - Little Rock---39------------___--------___-----------___----------39 Rogers - CSB-----------70----------___--------___-----------___----------70

141 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average Belton - Oregon St. - 20-------------18--------14-------------20--------18 Miranda - Stanford - 45-------------30--------___------------29--------34.67 Vasquez - Arizona St. - 40 ---------___---------___----------___----------40 Van Hoecke - L.R.---57-------------___--------___------------___---------57 Ramos - CSB------- 67-------------___---------___-----------___---------67 Hinrichsen - Cal Poly - 68----------___---------___-----------___---------68 Foote - Arizona St. --73------------___---------___-----------___---------73

133 lbs ------------ Wrestle Stat - Intermat - Open Mat - Flo Wrestling - Average Bailey - Little Rock - 5----------------7---------6------------7-------------6.25 Romney - Cal Poly - 9 ---------------12---------11----------11-------------10.75 Knox - Stanford----26--------------____-------____---------19-------------22.5 Chlebove - ASU----24---------------26---------19----------31------------25 Whisenhunt - OSU - 33--------------___--------___----------30-----------31.5 LaJoie - Stanford -- 45--------------____-------____---------____-----------45 Sanchez - CSB ---- 73--------------____-------____---------____----------73