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Is that really the rule? You can receive a free truck, but you cannot receive a free truck if its color palette matches the school colors? What if your school has really generic colors and it is a standard color for the truck is offered in? What if you pay the upcharge for the custom paint?

The NCAA champions that year were the Ohio State Buckeyes. The top 5 teams at NCAAs Ohio State, Iowa, Edinboro, Missouri, and Cornell all participated in the National Duals. Ohio State lost in the quarterfinals to Lehigh and lost 4 duals overall that season. They had several wrestlers miss parts of the season. Missouri wrestled Ohio State in an early season dual which Mizzou won on the 5th criteria - most TDs. The teams were somewhat different than in the postseason with Ohio State missing Bo Jordan and Kenny Courts. Missouri was also not full strength. They forfeited 141 (Mayes), England was up a weight from where he would wrestle in the postseason, I think Elben was up two weights and J'den Cox wrestled 285. I don't recall if Mizzou's bumping up was somewhat forced due to injury or purely strategic, but it may have made the difference. 125: Alan Waters (Mizzou) over No. 7 Nathan Tomasello (Ohio State) via 11-8 Decision 133: No. 9 Johnni DiJulius (Ohio State) over Matt Manley (Mizzou) via 5-2 Decision 141: No. 1 Logan Stieber (Ohio State) over (Mizzou) via Forfeit 149: Drake Houdashelt (Mizzou) over No. 3 Hunter Stieber (Ohio State) via Fall 2:39 157: No. 6 Josh Demas (Ohio State) over Joey Lavallee (Mizzou) via 3-2 Decision 165: Cody Johnston (Mizzou) over Justin Kresevic (Ohio State) via 9-7 SV1 174: No. 12 Mark Martin (Ohio State) over Mikey England (Mizzou) via 5-2 decision 184: Willie Miklus (Mizzou) over Josh Fox (Ohio State) via 12-2 Major Decision 197: No. 7 Kyle Snyder (Ohio State) over Johnny Eblen (Mizzou) via 15-5 Major Decision HWT: J'den Cox (Mizzou) over No. 10 Nick Tavanello (Ohio State) via 4-2 Decision 11+2+2+9+2+12+5+4=47 8+5+3+7+5+2+15+2=47

Yeah and somehow I forgot about Terry Brands. He is the highest paid assistant with a publicly available salary. I think his base is $205k and he made about $227k last year. It's possible OSU will give him Terry Brands money. They both have head coach experience, both have an Olympic bronze. If they do that its possible he will be paid more in absolute terms. I'm sure they could. My motivation for looking into this was mostly that I thought the numbers floating around that Espo was paid more in 2017 or whatever was misleading. Scott was on his initial deal back then and I had a feeling he was getting paid more now. Didn't expect to find Scott's actual contract.

Cost of living in Stillwater is 11.4% lower than Chapel Hill, NC. This would mean Scott would need to make $159,489 at OSU to match his $180k base salary. This is slightly more than Esposito was making in 2023. I think Espo's 2023 pay would have been about $155,000 and the open the books number was not his full pay because the year was not over. However keep in mind that Scott's UNC contract also gave him use of a car (or equivalent stipend), significant bonuses tied to the teams performance on the mat and in the classroom, as well as the right to host his own camps at the University. It is possible even likely that OSU is paying Scott more than Espo, but Espo was already one of the top paid assistants in college wrestling. He was being paid significantly more than the top assistants at several big programs. More than Snyder (Nebraska), Churella (Michigan), Todd (Missouri), St. John (ISU) and Jaggers (Ohio State). I would think that PSU might be the only program paying their assistant(s) more than Espo was making.

Found some more data Coleman Scott 2023 - $180,000 (UNC System data mart/Charlotte Observer/base salary) 2022 - $170,000 (Open Payrolls) 2021 - $207,500 (Gov Salaries)/$135,000 (Open Payrolls)/$150,000 (Base Contract)/$135,000 (Base Contract addendum) 2020 - $166,250 (Gov Salaries)/$150,000 (Open Payrolls)/$150,000 (Base Contract) 2019 - $195,000 (Gov Salaries)/$150,000 (Base Contract) 2018 - ? 2017 - $120,000 (Gov Salaries) 2016 - $113,917 (Gov Salaries) 2015 - $65,118 (Gov Salaries) Zach Esposito 2023 - $129,583.30 (open the books) 2022 -$153,933 (Gov Salaries)/$153,933.29 (Open Payrolls) 2021 - $124,162 (Gov Salaries)/$124,162.47 (Open Payrolls) 2020 - $135,412 (Gov Salaries)/$135,412.47 (Open Payrolls) 2019 - $143,600 (Gov Salaries)/$143,599.96 (Open Payrolls) 2018 - $141,099.96 (Open Payrolls) 2017 - $134,883 (Gov Salaries)/$139,299.96 (Open Payrolls) 2016 - $116,883 (Gov Salaries)/$116,883.29 (Open Payrolls) 2015 - $108,033 (Gov Salaries)/$91,599.93 (Open Payrolls)

Also in case anyone missed it UNC was providing Scott with a car to use or comparable annual stipend.

It's hard to know for sure, but I think Scott has been paid more than Espo the past 3-4 seasons. There are two websites that have these numbers open payrolls and gov salaries. Both sites had data for Scott and only open payrolls had information for Espo. The two years both sites had pay information for Scott they were substantively different, with open payrolls reporting lower pay both years. I think gov salaries reports total compensation and open payrolls maybe just base salary. There was only 1 year were was pay data available for both coaches on the same website (2020/open payrolls). In this year Scott made $150k and Esposito made $135,412.47 according to Open Payrolls, with gov salaries reporting Scott's pay even higher at $166,250. This might not be the most representative year as a lot of athletic department staff had to take a haircut in 2020 since COVID drastically reduced athletic budgets across the country. Scott made less in 2020 than 2019 according to gov salaries and according to open payroll Esposito also made less in 2020 than 2019, but this could be due to differing bonus amounts tied to performance too. Some other notes on Scott's compensation. He was hired as an assistant at UNC in 2014 and elevated to interim head coach in June 2015 when CD Mock was fired. In August he was named head coach dropping the interim designation. In late 2018 he signed a contract extension which ran through June 2021. That contract is available here and indicates a base salary of $150k for 2018-2019 through 2020-2021 with the contract year being July 1-June 30. Additionally a contract addendum signed in 2020 shows that Scott's base salary was reduced by 10% to $135k for the 2020-2021 contract year likely due to covid budget issues. He likely signed a new contract which started in either late 2020 or the first half go 2021 which took effect July 2021. I am not 100% sure how the contract numbers relate to what is being reported by open payrolls and gov salaries. For Open Payrolls it seems pretty obvious to me that they are reporting Scott's base salary as 2020 matches the contract number of $150k and 2021 matches the contract addendum number of $135k and he would have earned bonuses based on the 2018 contract both years. In 2020 UNC had 7 NCAA qualifiers which should have earned Scott a $10,000 bonus. He may have earned other bonuses tied to academic performance too. I think the Gov Salaries number likely is consistent with $150k base +$10k bonus for 6-7 NCAA qualifiers +$6.25k in other bonuses. Though I am less certain of being able too find $45k in bonuses for 2020 or $72.5k in bonuses for 2021 to make the Gov Salaries numbers match the Open Payrolls/contract base salary numbers. Certainly Scott would have received a large bonus in 2021 as Austin O'Connor's national title would have earned him $20k along with with $10k for 7 qualifiers and in 2019 he would have received $15k for 8 qualifiers. In either year he could have earned up to $15k in bonuses for academic performance, but that still leaves him tens of thousands of dollars short of the gov salaries figure. The contract allows for "various supplementary performance-related compensation payments made at the discretion of the Director of Athletics in accordance with the Department of Athletics' Incentive Compensation Plan approved by the Board of Trustees" which could explain the difference. If I had to guess I would say in 2015 as an assistant Scott made $65k base. From 2016-2018 inclusive he was on about $120k base with 2016 being a little lower since he got the job 1.5 months into the year. From 2019-2021 he had a $150k base and the Gov Salaries numbers are accurate and reflect bonuses paid. The COVID haircut he took in 2021 was likely made up for with a discretionary bonus after he produced their first national champ since Jaworsky. Scott signed a new deal in 2021 which bumped his 2021-2022 base salary up to $170k. He likely broke $200k this past season with a national champ (O'Connor) and 5 NCAA qualifiers earning him at least $25k, assuming the same bonus structure as the contract signed in late 2018. Coleman Scott 2022 - $170,000 (Open Payrolls) 2021 - $207,500 (Gov Salaries)/$135,000 (Open Payrolls) 2020 - $166,250 (Gov Salaries)/$150,000 (Open Payrolls) 2019 - $195,000 (Gov Salaries) 2018 - ? 2017 - $120,000 (Gov Salaries) 2016 - $113,917 (Gov Salaries) 2015 - $65,118 (Gov Salaries) Zach Esposito 2020 - $135,412.47 (Open Payrolls) 2019 - $143,599.96 (Open Payrolls) 2018 - $141,099.96 (Open Payrolls) 2017 - $139,299.96 (Open Payrolls) 2016 - $116,883.29 (Open Payrolls) 2015 - $91,599.93 (Open Payrolls)

Yeah. I think that and the small number of matches makes it difficult to draw any conclusions. Last year there was 1 PF, 1 TF, and 1 MD, but there were two extra matches because of the mini bracket they used for 160lbs. That weight accounted for the 1 MD. I didn't bother looking back additional years.

They used the 3 point TD scoring at Who's #1 this year and there were 1 PF, 0 TF, 1 MD, 8 dec. I only counted the boys results as I think the women used freestyle rules.

2014 PSU won NCAAs with 109.5 team points. Minnesota finished 2nd with 104 team points. In the regular season MN beat PSU 18-17, which was PSU's only dual loss of the season. MN lost an earlier dual 19-14 to Michigan. Michigan had 4 dual losses that year and MN was missing Zilverberg and a Dardaness for that dual. MN was likely the best dual team. Both teams were essentially full strength for that dual. PSU wrestled Beitz instead of English at 149 and MN wrestled Kingsley instead of Brancale. English for Bietz might seem like it could have made a difference because English placed at NCAAs that year but Bietz lost to Dardaness is OT and Dardaness beat English a few weeks later at Big Tens. The real difference making in the dual was Ness pinning Alton. At Big Tens PSU won with 140.5 and MN was 3rd with 118.5. Similarly at the Scuffle PSU won with 189 and MN was 3rd with 161. #1 Penn State 17, #3 Minnesota 18 February 9, 2014 - Minneapolis, Minn. 125: #2 Nico Megaludis PSU maj. dec. Jordan Kingsley MINN, 19-5 -- 4-0 133: #8 David Thorn MINN dec. #16 Jimmy Gulibon PSU, 2-0 -- 4-3 141: #2 Zain Retherford PSU dec. #6 Chris Dardanes MINN, 4-0 -- 7-3 149: #3 Nick Dardanes MINN dec. (SV2) Zack Beitz PSU, 6-4 (SV2) -- 7-6 157: #8 Dylan Ness MINN pinned #4 Dylan Alton PSU, WBF (5:57) -- 7-12 165: #1 David Taylor PSU maj. dec. Danny Zilverberg MINN, 13-3 -- 11-12 174: #6 Logan Storley MINN dec. #3 Matt Brown PSU, 8-4 -- 11-15 184: #2 Ed Ruth PSU dec. #8 Kevin Steinhaus MINN, 7-1 -- 14-15 197: #5 Morgan McIntosh PSU dec. #1 Scott Schiller MINN, 8-4 -- 17-15 285: #5 Tony Nelson MINN dec. Jon Gingrich PSU, 6-0 -- 17-18

Yeah that's what I intended. Didn't realize I was in the international forum. if he keeps getting younger that will be the case.

On FRL today they were discussing the coaching moves at UNC Chapel Hill and OSU. It came up that John Smith was 58 years old and they couldn't think of anyone older. He can't be the oldest head coach in D1. When listening Rob Koll immediately came to mind. He won NCAAs in 1988 (UNC's 2nd ever) the same year John Smith won his second title. They must be about the same age. Who are the other elder statesmen in the D1 coaching ranks? John Smith 1988 graduate of OSU 58 years old. OSU head coach Rob Koll 1988 graduate of UNC Chapel Hill. Stanford head coach. Tom Borrelli 1979 graduate of the Citadel. CMU Head coach. - His name came up but they weren't sure of his age. Nate Carr 1983 graduate of ISU. 63 years old. Davidson head coach. Kevin Dresser 1986 graduate of the University of Iowa. 60 years old. ISU head coach. Pat Santoro 1989 graduate of Pitt. Lehigh head coach. Mark Manning 1985 graduate of University of Nebraska-Omaha. Nebraska Lincoln head coach. - He also came up. Roger Reina 1984 graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. Current Penn head coach. Mark Cody 1985 graduate of University of Missouri. Head coach Presbyterian College.

Would Colon be tied with him? Is he still on staff at Northwestern? I'd still pick Gwiz over him in a match either way.

Dlagnev is the most recent Olympic medalist with a job. Sanderson is the most recent Olympic champ with a job. Dlagnev is also the most recent Olympian in a coaching role. Are Dennis or Molinaro on staff anywhere? If so then they are tied.

That is true. With assistants on the table there are a few more big men in the pool. Dlagnev at Nebraska. Gwiz is probably the pick.

Of course they are different sizes. You're thinking Joel Greenlee? The only head coach that was a former 285.

Weren't those agreements terminated and short lived? Is there still a school being sponsored today?

I mean at some point you have to accept reality and take the L. It's not like they can appeal beyond the Supreme Court. What should they have done? Paid to lobby for a new law that would withstand scrutiny by the court. That would have been a waste of money. Or should they have maintained the prohibition on hosting championships in states with legal sports gambling? With a dozen or so states with bills already drafted to legalize sports gambling before the decision was even announced this would have created operational issues. Today about 30 states and DC have legal sports gambling. The Big East would not be able to host their championships on any member campus. The Big Ten wrestling tournament could only take place at the University of MN or a neutral site. In what way have they got in bed with gambling?

I'm not sure this is a fair reading of the situation. The NCAA and other professional sports leagues have sued many times over the year ago prevent legalization of sports betting. Indeed the NCAA was the defendant in the case (Murphy vs. NCAA) that went to the supreme court in 2018 (they lost) which paved the way for states to legalize sports betting. They were not advocating or asking for this.

Cuba's last world champ in freestyle was at a non-Olympic weight.

Many university employees are banned from betting under NCAA rules. The president of a university is definitely prohibited from wagering on his/her university. Athletics staff cannot bet either. I really don't know about professors. A recent ESPN article said the NCAA betting rules apply to "student-athletes, coaches, administrators and officials." I guess that leaves open the possibility of some staff being exempted from them. I think there could be the possibility for a conflict of interest with a professor, so it would make sense if they were banned. A professor could bet against his employer to win an athletic competition and then fail a key player in their class which could rule them ineligible and by extension influence the result. If I were writing the rule I would ban all university employees from wagering on NCAA sports. I think this is pretty standard in professional sports (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL). If you work for the league or a team you cannot wager on their competitions.

Those 4 words permanent loss of eligibility are in the guidelines, but you are taking them out of context. In context from the NCAA website it says, "will potentially face permanent loss of collegiate eligibility in all sports." DI approves changes to reinstatement guidelines for sports wagering violations - NCAA.org

CP said it on FRL today. "One thing to know. If you bet on your institution going to be like an automatic year. And so, if you bet on the Iowa-Iowa State football game, which I know some athletes did on Iowa State, from what I'm told then they're going to lose a year. And so if Hawkeyes did that it sounds like there's going to be no exceptions, you're going to lose a year for that." They didn't expand upon where the automatic one year came from in terms of the guidelines. I've pasted the guidelines as released by the NCAA below. There really isn't a minimum guideline for athletes that influence outcomes, wager on their own games, or other sports at their own school. It simply says that permeant loss of eligibility is a potential penalty. It doesn't list that penalty for gambling on an athlete's sport involving other schools or other violations with cumulative wages totaling $800 or less. One might infer that the NCAA sees these kinds of violations as more serious than those and that the minimum punishment would be worse than the guidelines for those. The guidelines for those topped out at 50% of the season for wagering on a competition in the same sport at another school. It probably a safe assumption that a ban between 51% of a season and 100% the remaining career would be considered for athletes that bet on competition involving their own institution. Student-athletes who engage in activities to influence the outcomes of their own games or knowingly provide information to individuals involved in sports betting activities will potentially face permanent loss of collegiate eligibility in all sports. This would also apply to student-athletes who wager on their own games or on other sports at their own schools. If a student-athlete wagers on their own sport at another school, education on sports wagering rules and prevention will be required as a condition of reinstatement, and the loss of 50% of one season of eligibility will be considered. For all other wagering-related violations (e.g., wagering on professional sports), cumulative dollar value of the wagers will be taken into consideration with the following terms for reinstatement: $200 or less: sports wagering rules and prevention education. $201-$500: loss of 10% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education. $501-$800: loss of 20% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education. Greater than $800: loss of 30% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education. For cumulative wagering activities that greatly exceed $800, NCAA reinstatement staff are directed to consider whether additional loss of eligibility, including permanent ineligibility, are appropriate.

The complaint did not have specific dates for the draft kings transactions in question. Whilst some may infer that 10/31 would have been the date of one of the bets, but there is nothing explicit in the complaint to confirm or deny that. Even if there is someway to find the dates of the referenced draft kings transactions it says that is an imcomplete list. On FRL today CP seemed to imply that there may be some question as to whether or not the account was really his. Perhaps there as betting activity on Ms. Freeman's account that pre-dates Johnson's move to Ames. Also it may not completely eliminate the NCAA punishment, but it could mitigate the punishment. If the betting on ISU events all predated the start of classes it could mean that Johnson may change the penalty from potential permanent ban or 1 season+ ban to less than 1 season competition ban. CP said on FRL that he knew some ISU wrestlers had wagered on the ISU-Iowa football game. That would carry a 1 year ban. That game was played on 9-10-2022.

Would 11/5 be the relevant date though? I assume he is on some amount of athletic scholarship. He would have been on campus taking classes courtesy of the athletic department starting 8/22. Certainly some NCAA rules reach back before enrollment. I don't know when gambling becomes prohibited by the NCAA. When the recruit signs their letter of intent? When the recruit enrolls? When they first start classes (~8/2022)? When they start official practices (~10/2022)? When they first compete officially 11/5? My instinct is that it must be before the first competition.