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I mean isn't this the case even at Penn State and pretty much all of the "Power 5" schools?

What about winning Olympic gold while in college?

I don’t think the OP was suggesting that, although as I called out the data does likely help those guys that couldn’t wrestle as freshmen because they didn’t have the opportunity to lose. I think it’s more just saying that it’s possible that one of those guys could be the GOAT (Uetake being the main one that seems to be in the conversation), not to claim that going 3 for 3 is just as good as going 4 for 4.

Looks like Northwestern should’ve went to the last chance open?

Burwikk transfers back to Wisconsin

Correct. Dake’s big achievement was winning at 4 different weights. If he lost to Taylor then that goes away, plus he had other losses so yes, he wouldn’t be in the convo. Although some would argue he’s not in the convo to begin with, the only guys that should be in the convo are ones that were undefeated… He said most… If he doesn’t lose the rest of the way, yes IMO. If he does then I think you could stil argue undefeated guys over him.

IMO, yes. I think by definition someone that lost at the NCAA tournament can not be the GOAT. Can they maybe be ahead of a few guys on this list, I guess so

I think drawing the line at never having lost at the NCAA tournament makes sense. WKN, yeah I guess that would also include guys who missed seasons due to injury/suspension

hmm, are there any states that actually do a true second?

No clue why, but I was curious whatever happened to that kid from Wisconsin that got a flagrant misconduct overturned by a judge. Apparently, he wrestles at Illinois now. https://fightingillini.com/sports/wrestling/roster/hayden-halter/13169 4 time state finalist (2x champion, 1 at Burlington and 1 at Waterford, 1x second, and 1x third).

While I agree the 3 for 3’ers should be included in the discussion, don’t they have a slight advantage in this data because freshmen tend to have more losses/less bonus?

Just realized wrestlestat has tournament projections, including bonus. Here's PSU: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/tournament/breakdown/60/penn-state Weight Wrestler Rank/Place Plc + Adv Points Bonus Points Total 125 Steen, Gary 52 (NA) 0 0 0 133 Bravo-Young, Roman 2 16 3.24 19.240000000000002 141 Bartlett, Beau 5 10 1.69 11.69 149 Van Ness, Shayne 10 (R12) 2 1.5 3.5 157 Haines, Levi 8 5.5 1.25 6.75 165 Facundo, Alex 12 (R12) 2 0 2 174 Starocci, Carter 1 20 3 23 184 Brooks, Aaron 1 20 3.75 23.75 197 Dean, Max 1 20 3.3 23.3 285 Kerkvliet, Greg 2 16 2.49 18.490000000000002 Totals 111.5 20.2 131.7 So they have them at 132, with 3 champs, and RBY losing to Fix of course and Kerk 2nd also. Bartlett 5th, Haines 8th, Van Ness and Facundo R12. This is probably pretty close to the worst case scenario (point-wise at least, Van Ness and Facundo could probably do worse but this only has them at 5.5 pts between the two of them to start with) If I had to bet on them topping their prior record of 146.5 I think they do it.

I don’t really like penalizing the wrestler that much for a coach’s decision. Maybe a stall warning at worst

More action for sure. Too many guys wait to do anything until there’s 20-30 seconds left in the period

Wow has any other team ever had 2 champs that were seeded 5th or lower?

so they don't need to rest their starters, except Brooks who would have wrestled their only ranked wrestler

Nice to see Jimmy not downplaying PSU’s ability. So basically best case scenario they can break the record…

I don’t really disagree, again just saying it’s possible. I wouldn’t be shocked to see any of the things I mentioned, although yes having them all happen together is unlikely. I’m not crazy about Bartlett, him making the finals is moreso about the weight being pretty wide open. Woods is probably the only person I’d be surprised if he beat. Definitely wouldn’t be surprised to see Van Ness flip the result against Murin due to the Cael scouting magic (although I’m definitely rooting for Murin to AA this year!). His other losses are to Gomez, Sasso and Paniro. Looks like he hasn’t really wrestled any like 10-20th ranked guys, but he does have multiple bonus victories of NCAA qualifier type guys (so he could score bonus without placing too high). Facundo beat last year’s 4th and 7th place finishers, 165 is definitely a deep weight but he’s right in the mix to AA.

Well depending on your definition of “threatened,” I certainly think they can at least come close to that without much overperforming. More realistic predictions: RBY, Starocci and Brooks - 23 each Kerk - 20 Dean - 18 Haines - 15 Bartlett - 12 Facundo - 5 Van Ness - 5 Total 144

I probably would too, just saying I think it’s within the realm of possibility

135 is an average of 22.5. Their 4 returning champs averaged 22.4 last year. Even if Bartlett takes 4th or 5th, Facundo and Van Ness could outperform what I said too. Obviously that’s best case scenario (although I honestly wouldn’t be completely shocked to see them have 7 champs), but that happens pretty often with PSU. Just saying I think there’s a path and for example I think them breaking the record is more likely than them losing… What’s their own team record?

I think they can come close, maybe do it. I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see them get 6 champs - that’s about 135, potentially a point or two more depending on bonus. Also wouldn’t be shocked to see Bartlett make the finals: ~18 Then would only need ~17 more between Facundo and Van Ness.

Also is that David Taylor that they cut out of the photo? Would have to guess that probably hasn't happened to him much if so

This says they're only juniors. Brooks only has one more year after this, Starocci 2 (at most).

Twins?