I was in line at Just Wafflin' a few months ago, two guys in front of us women's bb asst coaches saving spot for team. One of them good sized guy older than the other looked in good shape. We'd switched to wrestling talk, he asked if I knew Dave Martin. When I said yes he relayed the story of was going to have a go on the mat with Dave. He went to John Smith to ask for some tips on what he ought to do to prepare. John simply said: "you don't want to do that."