Jimmy Cinnabon

But is it the best wrestling state in America, period? If no, then what state is, if you have to pick one?

When was I off the board? So you admit PA is the best wrestling state?

Yes

Because Iowa has been dominant for so long and taken such great pride in Iowa being the best wrestling state...and the unadulterated worship of Spencer Lee, who happens to be from PA, contradicts this Iowa-centric mindset.

Go to Carver Hawkeye and survey the crowd. I guarantee 95% will say it's Spencer Lee.

This doesn't make sense. If you were actually from Utah, and Utah were actually a rival of Pennsylvania in terms of wrestling I might buy it. Also, GOAT Coach and GOAT Wrestler are two very different things.

Get Real

He was injured by Mean Dean's bow and arrow

No Iowa fan thinks Barry Davis is better than Spencer Lee.

These two teammates, wrestling at 174 and 184 are both super dominant. Both are 2x NCAA champs and have never lost a NCAA final. Carter is 55-2 career so far. Aaron is 55-3 career so far. Both are great from neutral and hammers on top, although they have slightly different styles. Who is better, in your opinion?

He grew up in Saegertown, PA and Murrysville, PA. He won 3 PIAA state titles in PA and was runner-up his last year where he lost to fellow Pennsylvania Austin DeSanto.

As a PA native it gives me great pride to see how Iowa fans universally recognize their GOAT wrestler is Spencer Lee, a PA boy. I hope that once he finishes his amateur career he starts his coaching career in PA. I'm sure he'll eventually push the Brands out of Iowa City, but I think they are young enough that a 25 year old Spencer won't be evicting them from their offices any time soon. How about Spencer Lee coaching at a place like Lock Haven?

I will be very transparent. This rule may seem extreme but it addresses 3 tactics that almost all non-PSU wrestling fans consider dirty. The rule: "A wrestler, while on top (including while on "top from neutral", e.g., wrestler A shoots, wrestler B sprawls and is draped over top of wrestler B, here wrestler A is on "top" for purposes of this rule), may not touch or grasp with his hands, arms, or legs, the ankles or feet of the opposing wrestler." This rule prevents these 3 "dirty" Penn State tactics: The RBY shoe grab defense he employed on Desanto. As the Brands brothers have demonstrated, grabbing your opponent's shoe is very dangerous and should be illegal. The Penn State ankle stall ride. While not dangerous, sitting on your opponent's ankle by using your own leg to "scoop" is stalling. The Mean Max Dean bow and arrow. This move, as illustrated in another popular thread, should be illegal because it inflicts much pain on the opposing wrestler, who has no choice but to go to his back or risk pain. I will note, this rule would not prevent the use of a cradle provided the leg is gathered above the ankle, which it usually is anyway. Many cradles are started with a post by the knee. You may think I'm crazy for proposing such a radical change, but tell me why this rule doesn't effectively eliminate these 3 dirty tricks employed by Cael-trained wrestlers.

Jake Woodley?

How about a "proportionally shrunken" 125 pound Gable Steveson versus Lee?

Yes but only when Penn State wrestlers use it

looked like the 50 pounds was all in his gut

Hilger was better as an athletic 225 pound heavyweight

Hilger looks like fat Thor

Dean punishing 3rd to major Amos

Brooks 16-0 TF. Dow fought off his back twice, incredible effort.

Hamiti looks like he's 7'2

Hamiti is going to be hunting for a pin at 165

If he can get on the David Taylor lifting plan he could be a beast.

Gomez was most impressive so far. Incredible defense and scrambling. He's gonna win it all this year.