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I don't think Jordan has ever said that Plasi. He has said he was not aware of it. I gave a link that details the accusations against Jordan made by team members and also votes of support for what Jordan has said by other team members. It appears that not even the team is able to come together on this. If they can't, it seems ludicrous to base an opinion on Jordan that is based on this controversy. Again, like someone on this board said, not convicted nor prosecuted so therefore all is right with the world. If it works for some, it works for all. mspart

So will Russian athletes be able to compete under another flag like they did in the recent WCs? If so, they still have the opportunity to compete, just that Russia will not be in the story. mspart

Similar to Mijain Lopez of Cuba. I'm guessing he comes back for another go. Pretty incredible. 4 Olympic golds, the last having not competed in 3 years. mspart

Hopefully he kept the weight down from last year, he looked pretty good. But that is tough I know. Any recent pictures of the big lug? He better get working now. mspart

Dodgeball with the shot put. That would make it interesting and with an element of danger. Maybe an 8lb shot rather than 16lb. Even a 2lb shot would be risky!! The move to winter Olympics is an interesting idea for sure. It meets with our current HS and College schedules which might be a problem for those over achieving college types that make the team. There would be a good deal of interference there. WTTs and OTTs would happen when? Same time or during Nov or Dec, right smack in the middle of the college season? These are small hurdles, but wrestling is a winter sport but I doubt it is viewed that way by the masses. No snow or ice is involved. Uphill road but very interesting idea. The IOC does not want to give out any more medals, period. That was the reasoning when we last visited the elimination of wrestling and holding weights to 6. That and time to complete the competition. But track and swimming go on forever and no one minds. I don't understand their hangups with medals and time. One thing I learned last time when I watched wrestling exclusively is that I did miss seeing many of the other sports, at least on those days. With it being in Paris this next time that probably won't be an issue. Competition will be complete for the day when I wake up rather than just getting started when I get home. mspart

Wrestlers for tOSU say he did and other say he didn't. He said, she said. https://www.cleveland.com/open/2023/10/jim-jordan-has-denied-he-knew-about-sex-abuse-on-ohio-state-wrestling-team-heres-who-says-he-knew-and-who-says-he-didnt.html mspart

You are telling me to grow up? Your left wing talking points are absolutely horrific. How about you, justifying Hamas. "Well they are only trying to defend themselves and they have been beat up and taken out to the woodshed so we can't blame them when they act out." In all of this you have not blamed Hamas once. After being called on the carpet you have admitted that what they did was not right, but..... You have blamed Israel numerous times. I'm just reading what you are writing and coming to a logical conclusion. The fact that you have not blamed Hamas for this attack is very telling. The fact that you justify the attack by blaming Israel is also very telling. Tale old as time. mspart

You are so predictable. "I don't condone the Hamas actions but Israel had it coming." That is condoning and justifying the cowardly attacks on civilians and the butchering that occurred. You are trying to have it both ways, but you only have it one way. mspart

That's a good thing no? I don't care who got it but the fact they voted 113-99 for Scalise in their conference shows that Jordan had a good amount of support. But Trump was not persuasive enough nor was Jordan. Now we'll see what happens. mspart

Wow I love smoked cheese. But I figure I would melt it, never thought I might be able to do this. Hmmmmm, I might have to try this. Got a brisket thawing for this weekend!! I'll give that a go. But I may try cheese and if so, I'll let you know how much melt I got!!! mspart

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You lost the battle here with the fact that that you are justifying Hamas who are a bunch of barbarians that did not take the fight to the government and soldiers, but to mostly unarmed civilians in a surprise attack, burning alive, raping women, killing 260 youth at a dance event, decapitating women and babies. COWARDLY BEHAVIOR! There is no excuse for this and your arguments and justifications are getting real old and tiresome. Even President Biden has said, "Hamas offers nothing but terror and bloodshed with no regard to who pays the price,” Biden said. “The loss of innocent life is heartbreaking. Like every nation in the world, Israel has the right to respond, indeed the duty to respond, to these vicious attacks.” Head of ADL is condemning everyone not condemning these attacks. You are left alone crying, but but but..... There is no justification for this. They are getting what they deserve. Gazans are not innocent in this as theY heartily support Hamas. Hell is coming for the Gaza Strip in a way they have not experienced before. Did they think that would not be the result? What were they thinking? They were not thinking immediate future that's for sure. What have Hamas been doing all this time? Oh, they have been taking all the money and doing nothing but buy munitions and dig tunnels. Have they put together a water supply so they don't have to rely on Israel? Have they put together a power system so they don't have to rely on Israel? No, they haven't. All they want to do is kill Israelis. Read their charter. In 1988, Hamas published its charter, calling for the destruction of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic society in historic Palestine. And that was apparent this weekend when they cowardly went after the most vulnerable. I suppose you justify ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Iraq, and Al-Qaeda, they did similar. As the Japanese admiral said of the attack on Honolulu, he feared they had just awakened a sleeping giant. Well, Israel has been awakened and I think they will accept nothing but total surrender this time out, and if they push for that, they should be supported by everyone. mspart

That's more than this human, I can tell you that!!! mspart

I'm fairly confident in saying not on the scale that has been witnessed this weekend. If the Gazans hoped to bring hell and war to their enclave, then they went about it the right way. I'm sure the IDF has done things that were not right. I don't condone those actions. But we have rarely seen atrocities of this magnitude in recent modern times, only ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, and perhaps Russia come to mind. War is not pretty and the middle east and Palestinians have been waging war with Israel for over 70 years. Yet Israel is the only one that has to temper any response. Palestinian action - Well, it has been bubbling over for a long time. Israel reaction - Better not go too hard Bibi. mspart

You may be correct. I may handwave it. The top section is recounting a series of incidents regarding Israeli settler clashes. Not all, but some of those actors were arrested. Has that happened to anyone in Gaza? No. The second set is regarding soldiers, the first by CAIR is an allegation by a Palestinian woman and nothing more. The second is about a soldier boasting of raping a Palestinian woman and is now dead. He got what was coming. The third is story about some rapes by IDF folks. It does not say they were against Palestinian women, only that there were 32 cases of rapes. I take this meaning this was all inside the IDF. So this does not help your case. The third link is supposed to be equivalent to 260 mowed down in one go by Gazans a few days ago. This link says, "Israeli forces had killed at least 34 Palestinian children in the West Bank as of August 22." First this is not the same thing. Second you have to ask what was going on that the soldiers would fire on kids. Third, if for no reason, this is not a good thing and should be condemned and is inexcusable and those soldiers incarcerated. The circumstances are not discussed which may mean this would not sound as innocent on the part of the youth as you want it to. How does this compare to mowing down 260 kids in a matter of minutes who were at a dance party? It doesn't. You would be surprised that I am not convinced by these links. The dailysabah link is the only one that has some semblence of germaneness to the question here and that guy is now dead. You are taking individual actions over the course of a year or more and trying to equate them to a point in time where 260 youth were mowed down, where women were systematically raped and some decapitated, and others killed, where babies were killed with some decapitated by a concerted effort on the part of Hamas and this is somehow excusable. I have no issue with Israel retaliating after what happened last weekend. mspart

There was also Wrestling and Track and Field events in 1896, just like ancient times to which I was referring. The modern Olympics were inspired by the ancient Olympics. Hence my reference to wrestling being an original sport in the Olympics. When they get rid of original sports that were competed in the ancient Olympics, then the modern Olympics is no longer worthy of the name, in my opinion. mspart

Israel decapitates, rapes, mows down youth? I'm not a believer, please show documentation of this. mspart

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-palestine-hamas-attack-hostages-gaza-strip-b2426936.html Decapitating people is 1st degree murder. They raped and murdered women. They killed children in front of their parents. They indiscriminately mowed down youth at a dance party. They paraded bodies around Gaza to cheers. Again, what did they expect as a response? This was a monstrous attack by cold blooded killers. They should expect a somewhat similar response. The billions (and possibly trillion) of dollars of aid to the Palestinians has gone where? To make the people's lives better? To improve infrastructure? Apparently not. mspart

Getting rid of wrestling (even though it was considered) is like getting rid of the decathlon and other track events. These are original events in the original Olympics. Move those to the side in favor of flag football or some other stupid sport? Don't misunderstand, I love flag football because I can play it with much bigger people. Of course I'm too old for it now but I used to play all the time. My team won our college intramurals. But an Olympic sport? Come on man! mspart

Funny that he is even a topic of conversation still. mspart

Lewis did it to show that Freestyle had become a sport that didn't need conditioning as I remember it. He did well his first match. His second match he did not do as well from a conditioning standpoint but still won. One of those two opponents was really mad they lost to the old man. Then he ran into Moza Fay and lost pretty badly. I think his conditioning was not up to the level he needed. So although he did well, he did not do well enough and this dissuaded him from entering OTTs as a past Olympian. But it was really fun to watch those matches. I think he underestimated the amount of effort in FS matches at that time. mspart

But not answer the question that was asked. It is still out there for you. mspart

I disagree, but what is your answer to resolve this? You claim to understand all of this, but what is your answer to it? mspart

The thing Plasi is not saying is that these higher education level textbooks are not appropriate. Is Playboy, Penthouse, or general explicit sexual material allowed in school libraries? Especially elementary libraries? These books that have explicit sexual content is no different. They are not appropriate for the age group that the library is for. Not a word against "banning" Playboy etc. But taking a book that has explicit sexual material out of an elementary library or not letting it in at all is reason for crying banning of books. It is a situation that doesn't make any sense at all on the part of those advocating for these books. mspart

There you go justifying it again. It doesn't matter. Murder is murder and is inexcusable. You agree. So there is no "how did we get here". There is only they did this cowardly act. There is no justification for it. mspart