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Also, puts restrictions on trans kids competing in sports K-12 and at the college level outside of their assigned gender at birth. Good idea? Yes (although I would like to see how “bans….mental health care” actually reads out) Why or why not? As it relates to making those types of decisions/moves at young age: My oldest daughter was absolutely certain at a young age she was going to grow up to be a Muay Thai fighter, it’s all she talked and thought about. As she got older and experienced life as adult, her true path led her to art therapy. Imagine if we had made such a permanent decision for her at such a young age. Your situation is unique to you and is not indicative of the experience of trans kids. Is it a good idea to take one case and paint every other similar case with the same brush? What ‘permanent decision’ could be done to aid in being a muay thai fighter? Aren’t there female fighters too?(I don’t know the industry very well or at all) Are you aware of the non-permanent treatments for trans kids? As it relates to competing in sports, I think we all know the ‘why’ Nope. I don’t know what you mean. Plenty of reasons to let it happen. Especially at k-12 level. Curious why you think it shouldn’t? How many kids are we talking about? Surely you don’t expect anyone on this board to have that answer Fair point. Something to think about though. What % of kids and parents are we restricting? What are the implications on the lives of the citizens effected(kids and parents)? Good or bad? Very loaded question, many effected, many effected in different ways, many would have been effected differently should it have went the other way. Not a one size fits all answer to this. Lets try both sides. Trans kids(k-12): negatively, can’t get mental health care(what that means I don’t know, but don’t like the sound of it, seems overly restrictive and cruel), much of the treatment is non-permanent up to a point, why ban it all? Makes it so they don’t feel accepted as themselves by the entirety of their state government. That can’t feel good. Also, gives people with hate in the heart one less reason to act on those feelings. Otherizing people almost always leads to violence. Parents of trans kids(k-12): Negative, knowing that your government won’t let you give the care to you child you feel they need must be heart breaking. Potential violent reactions from members of the community based on incomplete or false information(ie, Comet PingPong Shooter) trying to ‘protect’ children. Cisgender kids(k-12): they aren’t really effected by the law. Seeing or knowing possible trans kids in the community might get them to ask questions. Is that bad? They might play sports with trans kids(contrary to the law going into effect in 90 days). How is that bad? Safety is always a concern. No one wants kids getting hurt on the pitch. Will that be effected one way or the other if trans kids are allowed to play sports? Idk. Are they losing opportunities to advance, better leagues or to college? I don’t know. Would love to see some info on it. Might help to decide one way or the other. Parents of cisgender kids(k-12): they aren’t effected by the law. Not really seeing any issues with trans kids being allowed to receive care that would effect this group. Any thoughts? Anyone live in Ohio, how do you feel this will effect your state? Good or bad? N/A Fair Everyone else, does this change your opinion of Ohio? Which direction? None Hmm… how is that possible? Not even a little?

Also, puts restrictions on trans kids competing in sports K-12 and at the college level outside of their assigned gender at birth. Good idea? Why or why not? How many kids are we talking about? What are the implications on the lives of the citizens effected(kids and parents)? Good or bad? Anyone live in Ohio, how do you feel this will effect your state? Good or bad? Everyone else, does this change your opinion of Ohio? Which direction?

Who are you trying to convince with this desperate attempt at getting attention? Your experience is irrelevant. If that is all you have to inform your opinions, so are you.

Posting articles and asking me to use my time to go through them is intellectually lazy on your part. Also, I try to give my time to people who are honest and you are not. J actually tries to have a conversation. Less on dunking and calling people Jr. to make themselves feel superior. As if not dying is some how a flex. You should have an opinion on what they bring to the table. As you didn't, I just assume you want me to waste my time as those articles and your opinions are a waste of time.

Well done. I knew you could do it. Whoever that was to, I'll bet they appreciate you being vulnerable and bearing your soul. Doesn't it feel good? Like a weight lifted off your shoulders. Maybe you've turned a new leaf.

I'm sorry if you feel I'm slow. Like I said, I don't know if it was meant for me. If you go back through the entirety of this conversation. I've tried to explain myself as well as I could. I don't feel you've done the same(maybe I'm wrong and that's the best you can do) and you scare people away from a conversation. I don't feel you've made clearly articulated points or else I feel this conversation would've gone differently.

I can't read your mind or discern your criteria. Do you consider yourself an honest person?

Is that who you intended the comment towards?

To whomever it was intended to. Like I said before, I can't answer that. As you were not clear. Still haven't been.

Its an opportunity to apologies like I did. Take the high road. Be vulnerable. Are capable of doing that at all?

You typed it and you weren't specific. That's why I asked in the first place. You are the only one that can answer that question. Will you?

Do you feel bad, at all, about calling someone slow in a conversation?

Love time stamps. You're not the good guy. Try to be better.

You're not testing people you are just dishonest. You're a bully and you lash out exactly like every cliché of a bully. I pity you.

Likewise

I don't ever recall you saying that. I think that's an excuse you're telling yourself to pretend to be the good guy.

I never said you should trust me. Where was that? His experience holds no weight in this conversation until he demonstrate why. He hasn't yet. Why should I or anyone listen to him and his experience? Its like me listening to your experience. I have no reason to trust that you're telling the truth because you have a hard time living in reality. 'Nu uh, you don't live in reality' Ya I know what you're going to say.

Didn't you call someone in this chat 'slow'?

I'm sorry for calling you names. You don't deserve that. You're just trolling on a message board for fun. Are you trying to be constructive? No. I know that. The way you engage all but admits it. Why do you think you do it? Is there a reason? Just to stir up crap? Why does that do it for you? Have you thought about it? Also, can you tell me what Marxism is?

Definitely unique. Coming from a guy that has now made it is mission to stir the pot as far as higher education(not that it couldn't use a good stir considering the recent settlements of tuition gauging). I don't mind a guy going to war with elite schools to clean them up and cull some of the old growth. Might be a good thing. Not sure DEI is a great avenue for that. Tell me why I should listen to a hedge fund manager about DEI? What research has he done or absorbed that would make him a trusted figure on the subject? Keep in mind, any anecdotes he has are irrelevant. Why are you siting known racist, Stephen Miller? What point could he possibly make that isn't tainted already? You say 'another example' what is it your examples are trying to point out? Engineering: Wow. Pretty cold response from a father. The gender point, I get it. That's fair. But she has experience and perspective that, I would imagine, most engineers don't have. Wouldn't the field of engineering be better with her life experience and perspective? Lets leave out skill and schooling. Lets just assume she's on par with an average engineer as far as knowledge. Might she be able to see things in a way that others might not considering how she arrived in the field?

I'm sorry you're a hypocrite. Only calling out name calling when its directed at someone you defend. In the entire conversation I asked questions to get clarity. If that threatens you, you and your ideas are the problem. Because you don't have the wherewithal to answer my questions to a satisfying extent is your lack of knowledge, creativity, or self awareness that your position is crap. You all answer the questions, if at all, that you know won't paint you into a corner. And you get upset when I point out you are dishonest(you are). Then you all feel attacked and lash out like toddlers wanting a cookie. You're embarrassing. I don't like the idea that people like you exist and spread your stupid in the same circles as I do. You make our community dumber. Here come the names again, have at it losers!

Fair point. But does the company have a right to protect its product from someone or something trying to steal the IP? You can say this isn't an attempt to do that, but it very could be. You don't know for sure. So far, the article mentioned that no evidence of tampering/hacking has happened. That there are issues that could have been but weren't, is not reason enough to pull it apart to look for discrepancies. That process needs to be done during the production/contract process. If the process is so important, and I agree that it is, the governing body should've dug into it before not after the fact. You can agree that they had an opportunity to do all this prior to the actual voting? They did not or not to enough of an extent to discover the weaknesses. This looks like, now, that they don't like the results and are looking for any way to muddy the outcome because they lost. Do a better job on the front end and this wouldn't be a problem.

" When the workers, content, and outcomes reflect examples like what we've seen with diversity quotas in business. " Not sure what this means. Can you elaborate? I understand you believe that about DEI. But is that actually the case? Are there examples of that happening? With regards to engineering, is the field or practice of engineering better off with your daughter's perspective and experience?

So you're a moron. Got it.

So you are afraid. Got it.