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You either signed up for some other sport/vertical in a partner deal, you are grandfathered into some old plan, or you're doing the marketing ploy of dividing up the annual price of $150 by 12. I am sure Flo chose the annual price because the scholastic/collegiate wrestling season is 5 months so the annual price is the same as the season price. In any event every streaming service I named cost less than $150/season or year whichever is appropriate. Old men whine, but no one likes paying too much for too little. One Gable Steveson said of a streaming service that is less costly than Flo, "Sixty dollars is a lot bro. Sixty dollars is crazy."

Wrestlers are cheap, but Flo is an expensive streaming service. It is objectively true. What other streaming service is priced $30/mo? The only sports that tolerate Flo are ones with fan bases that are too small to be served by real broadcasting/streaming options. Do you think FC Cincinnati fans were happy when Flo got the rights to stream their games? They were charging $30/mo or $150/year (some people got a discounted $99 yearly rate) to local fans of the worst on field team in MLS to watch 4-5 home games per month for 7 months. A total of 34 games. Now that AppleTV has the streaming rights to all MLS teams one can purchase MLS season pass and with it the ability for watch every single game in the league for $99.99/year or $14.99/month. More for less without Flo's technical difficulties. Do you think Cycling fans in the US are excited that Flo has the rights to broadcast UCI events here? It is cheaper to pay for both a VPN and GCN+ and watch from a country where GCN+ has the broadcast rights than it is to subscribe to Flo. Do you think OSU wrestling fans are upset their matches are now on Big 12 Now/ESPN+ and not Flo? Do you think a fan of any Big Ten team would prefer their team's matches were distributed on Flo vs BTN? Streaming services that are cheaper than FloSports - NBA League Pass, MLB TV, MLS Season Pass, ESPN+, GCN+, BTN+, Hulu (I hear they have live sports), Amazon Prime, Netflix, Peacock, Max, Disney+, HBO Max, Paramount+. Flo only makes sense in terms of value if you are using it for more than 1 vertical and that is almost certainly the exception. FC Cincinnati fans were likely to only use Flo to watch Flo's substandard broadcast of FC Cincinnati games and for that alone it is a very expensive option.

I am sure it's been used successfully as a solution in corporate America before. Though it certainly wouldn't work in many situations and I wasn't suggesting it as a solution here, just finishing the analogy. In corporate America there can be a very wide spectrum of circumstances, much wider than seen in sport. In the case of player and coach there is almost always a large age difference and often times the player is very young at the start of a career and the coach old enough to be retired from competition. It is shocking how common player-coach relationships are in the women's tennis. Almost always a much older coach that has potentially been coaching the individual since their teenage years. Seems totally unprofessional.

Certainly a supervisor/subordinate in a relationship is untenable and ripe for conflicts. In some situations one individual could be transferred to report to someone else or the supervisor could be reassigned/demoted to resolve the issue without termination. Mayhaps he felt that this could be managed in a similar way? This individual could be reassigned to coach the men (presumable this individual does not have a sexual relationship with any of them), someone else assigned to coach the women, and that could resolve the issue.

I don't believe so. He wrestled as a true freshman in 2019 (took 3rd/1 year used), sophomore 2020 (no ncaas/2 years used), junior in 2021 (free year/won title/2 years used), junior 2022 (won NCAAs/3 years used), senior 2023 (did not wrestle/deferred eligibility/redshirt/3 years used). So since he never used a redshirt 2022-2023 could be his redshirt and he could use his last year in 2023-24.

But Rulon has attempted two comebacks since leaving his shoes on the mat! It wasn't over! He says he will be back next year 20 years hence. Any chance Gable wrestles for Minnesota next year? Would that be the first time a wrestler left their shoes on a mat in college and later returned to represent the school again? I think I remember Joe Rau leaving his shoes on the mat after losing at the last OTT. He won a world team spot at Final X this weekend. Frank Molinaro left his shoes on the mat at the last trials too. It was after his loss to Yianni in the championship bracket of the challenge tournament. He didn't show up for his consi match. I don't think there is only one appropriate time to leave your shoes on the mat. Very few individuals get to go out on a high note like Rulon did... the first time.

Yeah they had an exclusive deal with OSU at the time. I wonder why they don't any more...

Wouldn't an Ohio State-PSU dual have been carried by BTN? Are you referring to the PSU-OSU dual from 2017m

Was the OSU-Iowa debacle? The Feb. 2019 dual in Stillwater? The one where Picc pinned Spencer Lee?

On the front side he lost to Zahid. On the back side Downey. Maybe Starocci? With 4 wrestlers in one bracket perhaps the one they felt had the worst chance of winning the spot felt like they didn't put enough time into his preparation. Full brackets - https://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/opentournaments/VerifyPassword.jsp?tournamentId=600803132

Timeline of Flo streaming issues February 2017 - OSU-PSU dual https://www.cowboysrideforfree.com/2017/2/20/14671314/flowrestling-offers-apology-refund-for-fans-after-site-crashes-during-meet "Fans of the two teams who couldn’t make it to Gallagher-Iba Arena to watch had the option to view the match live on FloWrestling.com, who grabbed exclusive broadcasting rights. Unfortunately, the site wasn’t up to the task. FloWrestling’s site crashed at the beginning of the meet, leaving those who had paid the $20 subscription fee to watch out of luck." Flo's response -https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5748204-frl-181-martin-floreani-on-the-osu-vs-psu-failure “We brought a committee together all of our top engineers across Flo sports and we’re going to be looking to to really teardown find the weakness within our platform and expose those weaknesses on our own time and in a testing environments so that something like this doesn’t happen.” CP: "How confident are you that we're not going to run into this kind of issue down the road?" Martin: "I'm very confident..." "We got Tech Falled." January 2019 - Flo signed deal with DC United to distribute their home matches to the local market. March 2019 - Issues arise with the quality of Flo's Stream in the first DC United game of the season. May 2019 - Issues with the quality of Flo's DC United stream have not been sorted. The stream cuts out at critical time of a match with New England Revolution as Martin/Flo is courting MLS for league wide rights after the current deal expires in 2022. https://theathletic.com/1000851/2019/05/29/flo-sports-broadcasts-have-d-c-united-fans-seeing-red/ "D.C. United’s encounter with the New England Revolution last weekend was a slow burner, a game that only picked up its pace in the dying moments. After United captain Wayne Rooney converted a 90th-minute penalty kick, he sprinted into the goal to retrieve the ball, eager to get play underway and find a potential game-winner. Many United fans likely crept to the edge of their seats in anticipation, eager to see that happen. What they ended up seeing for the bulk of the seven minutes of stoppage time was instead a red screen, the “technical difficulties” card of FloSports, the club’s broadcast partner. It was the latest in a frustrating series of events for United fans, many of whom pay as much as $8.99 per month to watch their club’s home games. " https://awfulannouncing.com/streaming/flosports-is-talking-to-rest-of-mls-about-obtaining-local-tv-rights.html "DC United and FC Cincinnati fans weren’t thrilled about FloSports in the first place. It’s not so much about the company itself, it’s that in an era where people are paying for multiple streaming services, they now have to pay for one more just to watch their team and are probably only going to pay to watch their team. Some probably won’t bother. It wouldn’t be so bad if DC United and FC Cincinnati chose someone like ESPN+ because ESPN+ is not only less expensive ($5 per month compared to $20 per month) but offers way more soccer options than FloSports (out of market local MLS games, USL, US Open Cup, EFL, FA Cup, EFL Cup, Serie A, etc.) And since ESPN+ has plenty of other programming and mainstream sports available, it’s at least a platform many non-MLS fans subscribe to, putting the league in front of new fans. That will not happen if MLS moves to FloSports." Oct 2019 - DC United terminates $12 million 4 year rights deal that started in March 2019 after complaints from fans of technical issues and cost. DC United fans were paying significantly less than wrestling fans are charged and had access to all the same stuff as wrestling fans. DC United likely had to pay an exit fee to terminate the agreement and streamed their remaining matches for free missing out on rights money for those games. It is also likely that they were not able to find anther rights parter willing to pay $9 million for the three years they had remaining. It was likely a disastrous deal for United and Flo. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/dc-united-flosports-streaming-deal-ended-mls-tv-rights "The move brings to an end what proved to be a problematic deal for DC United. Fans of the franchise were initially unhappy at having to pay between US$5.99 and US$8.99 per month for FloSports, which was compounded when the streaming service suffered technical difficulties. DC United’s draw against New York City FC in March, for example, was marred by interruptions. June 2020 - Flo's other MLS team terminates their rights deal for similar reasons as DC United midway through the second year of the deal. Flo's product was not up capable of meeting the demands of even the worst team in MLS. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/fc-cincinnati-flosports-streaming-tv-rights-local-cancel/ "FC Cincinnati were forced to defend the FloSports deal last year after fans aired frustrations that the platform was technically unstable and prohibitively expensive. Annual subscriptions for the 2019 season were priced at US$150, with the first 2,000 to sign up receiving a discounted rate of US$99 for the year." "Fans who have purchased FC Cincinnati subscriptions on FloSports for 2020 will be given refunds." June 2023 - Final X CP "Unacceptable streaming quality for Final X." "Steps are going to be taken to make sure it doesn't happen again." and again and again and again and again.

You're right. Let's change Zain's birth certificate because he moved to PA.

No If Jimmy starts a thread asking the question "Is Chance Marstellar the best wrestler freestyler that grew up in Pennsylvania that we have this year?" "No Zain Retherford is better" would be a valid answer. To the question he asked Retherford is not a valid answer. What do you not understand?

No. We aren't pretending he was born in PA.

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5748204-frl-181-martin-floreani-on-the-osu-vs-psu-failure

At final X I'm pretty sure it was just him and Nolf. I don't think any of the ladies were born in PA. Kennedy Blades attended Wyoming Seminary but I'm pretty sure she is an out of stater.

The same Zain Retherford that was born in Kenosha, WI? I don't believe he is eligible for the question as posed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zain_Retherford

Aaron Brooks was in that bracket with Taylor and Nickal too. Presumably his opinion on the matter would be highly relevant. Did Nick Lee wrestle Retherford in the consolations? Even if they did wrestle I can't imagine Brooks was referring to that.

FC Cincinnati fan thought $150/year was prohibitively expensive. "FC Cincinnati were forced to defend the FloSports deal last year after fans aired frustrations that the platform was technically unstable and prohibitively expensive. Annual subscriptions for the 2019 season were priced at US$150, with the first 2,000 to sign up receiving a discounted rate of US$99 for the year." They could have told their season ticket holders that $150/year is cheaper than traveling to the 17 road games per season. Instead they terminated the dealer after less than 1.5 seasons. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/fc-cincinnati-flosports-streaming-tv-rights-local-cancel/?zephr_sso_ott=VGSHXq

That's probably true if you go to the individual sport website (baseball, wrestling, grappling, whatever), but if you sign up with a team or conference they have different pricing. I think you can get as cheap as $12.50 billed monthly or $7.99/month billed annually. https://go.flosports.tv/partner/caa Back when they had MLS teams you could get it even cheaper $8.99 billed monthly or $5.99 billed annually. Wrestling is one of the most expensive ways to sign up for Flo because there is little to no competition in this sport. Fans are not used to paying a reasonable price for a service. They are used to not having any access whatsoever so $30/mo doesn't sound that bad. Flo bought their only US competitor Trackwrestling some years ago, which in my opinion can only be seen as a negative for fans.

They can reuse that video over and over. That dual was 2017? The DC United fiasco was 2019. Their only other MLS team, DC Cincinnati dropped them in 2020. It was amazing how right quick the plug was pulled on their crappy service when they tried to take on a sport with a more sizable fan base. MLS fans were only paying $9/mo vs the $30/mo they try and get out of wrestling fans and they weren't putting up with this for even a season.

Before this event they had been better with their streams. I remember a couple years ago they simply could not provide a reliable stream to a major event. Not sure how many wrestling fans were aware of this but Flo Sports had streaming deals with some MLS teams to distribute their matches. They signed a 4 year deal with DC United starting in 2019 and the very first broadcast was plagued by service interruptions that they never fully solved. Flo reportedly paid $12million for the broadcast rights and the team terminated the contract after less than a year, offered refunds to fans, and streamed the rest of their matches for free on the teams website. It would seem like the inability to stream a major event without interruption has costs Flo millions of dollars and should be something they have sorted by now. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/dc-united-flosports-streaming-deal-ended-mls-tv-rights/?zephr_sso_ott=s0FZRU "The move brings to an end what proved to be a problematic deal for DC United. Fans of the franchise were initially unhappy at having to pay between US$5.99 and US$8.99 per month for FloSports, which was compounded when the streaming service suffered technical difficulties. DC United’s draw against New York City FC in March, for example, was marred by interruptions."

If you sign up with Flo Wrestling they monthly option sucks - $30/month or $150/year. If you sign up with another Flo "parallel" you can get a much more reasonable price $12.50 billed monthly or $8/month billed yearly and you have access to all parallels.

If you give RamofTheEast an opportunity to talk about his faith he will take it, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQU6CMJX4EM

Who doesn't like a big drama show? Pyles dropped the ball to follow up questions on a few things in this interview. Going back to the original topic of this thread Brooks says "We discussed that ahead of time. I think it was at the Olympic Trials in 2021 when they really realized okay a lot of our guys are going to be competing with each other in the finals. So I think a free that because they didn't really discuss it before then and some stuff happened some controversy. So I think now they are like okay let's just be realistic let's figure this out ahead of time so we're not doing somebody dirty like we did at the Olympic Trials." How does Pyles not try and get him to expand on how someone was done dirty?