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Whoops meant to put on college board, oh well

I don’t personally believe that, but you gotta admit the number of elite athletes/coaches saying this indicates that their belief is helping them. Also gotta give credit to Cael that he’s not outspoken about it, as I do think there could be some legal gray areas if a coach is pushing religion while being employed by a state school (and yes I know PSU is a “public-private partnership” or whatever). I would bet Cael is not actually pushing anything. Dawn Staley on the other hand, I’m not so sure. I know this is a hit piece but it raises some relevant points - https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-carolina-womens-basketball-coach-dawn-staley-might-be-violating-her-players-religious-freedom

This.

Surprised they asked him about his Burroughs comments. Supposedly “guys actually in the wrestling community agreed with him, it was mostly just fans that didn’t”

I like Pyles. But his solo videos are unbearable. But, they are pretty easy to ignore.

Of your list, I think only Pat Pop would really be an upgrade over Scott. Pendleton maybe a wash. But I think they should certainly reach out to Pop if they haven’t already. But we had this discussion when Scott was first hired. He’s probably making a comparable salary, living in a lower COL area, and has more family nearby. And even if he wasn’t promised anything he knew he’d have a shot at taking over. It wouldn’t have been completely crazy for him to take that job without a promise to be the HC. That said, given the initial reporting saying that which was then retracted, I’m guessing he probably was.

Not double knee surgery, but I thought the story was that he was banged up before the season?

So kinda like Spencer Lee then?

Do we think he could have made the cut if he didn’t wrestle the NCAA season? Will there be any blame towards Cornell/Mike Grey for “wasting” him in the NCAA like there was for Tom Brands and Spencer Lee?

I assume Parris making the R12 was not considered “significant points”?

I agree the tiers talk is boring, but there’s not really much to talk about…

He got this injury before the NCAA season right? Also, I wonder if one of he or Yianni switches RTC’s if they’ll both be at 65 for 2028?

Did they ask him if he wanted a demotion first too?

VT not a small school. If we see Stephen Little or Peyten Keller go in the portal then maybe.

But you’re not seeing where Ryan said that?

Coach left

Agree to disagree, at least for wrestling (I’ve heard there’s much more craziness in football and basketball). I don’t think kids (which most are when they commit) should be forced to lose 25% of their eligibility if they don’t like the school, or even if they can’t make the lineup. Especially when coaches aren’t held to the same standard. It will be interesting to see how many less transfers there are after the Covid year guys are gone. And even outside of grad transfers, I think most big name transfers have spent 3 postseasons at their original school. Outside of circumstances like your coach leaving or your program getting cut, I may be forgetting someone but I literally can’t think of one guy that was at a small school, had a breakout year in the NCAA as a freshman or sophomore and then portaled. Closest would be Mesenbrink but his breakout wasn’t in the NCAA and IIRC it really started before he was even a student at Cal Baptist. Some may say Nagao but Minnesota isn’t a small school.

But again, the original comment Pyles was responding to was talking about “buying” guys. I think it’s fair to interpret that as being what the conversation as a whole was referring to. Ryan wanted to make clear he hadn’t “bought” any transfers (even though he’s tried to, and has also “bought” recruits).

To my earlier point, this seems like more of an argument against (the current version of) NIL than the portal. IMO, it’s moreso the money that is causing guys to jump ship and I think we’d see less transfers without that (and yes I know the free Covid year has also caused a surge in grad transfers that wouldn’t have transferred if not for the free year). Also as has been pointed out, there has been a pretty good number of guys use the portal to go from bigger schools to smaller ones.

It doesn’t really “hinge on Ryan accusing Pyles of making a demonstrably false statement” though, assuming you’re referring to what started it. It started with Pyles replying to someone talking about Michigan “buying” guys. Ryan’s first comment was just making a statement, and didn’t really accuse Pyles of anything other than being “silly.” It wasn’t until later that Ryan “accused Pyles of making a demonstrably false statement” that he never made. However I probably should have also included this tweet, where Pyles claims “he never once said NIL.” But the tweet he was quoting was replying to a post where he said NIL! The post was accurate, but Pyles did say NIL. But again, it is a bit odd that Ryan wants to make it known they “haven’t had any transfers in the NIL area,” when he readily admits they’ve gone after them they just haven’t gotten them. Probably what @pokemonster said that he didn’t want the current guys to think they were getting recruited over, since he also made a point to say he tells his team about any portal guys they go after.

Are you able to view the tweet/post I linked? It’s in there.

Ryan did assign statements to Pyles that he never said later on (which I mentioned in my post as well), but the original post that Pyle responded to was talking about Michigan “buying”guys. I think it’s reasonable to assume the overall conversation was implying recent years. However, it was odd to me that Ryan would go out of his way to say they haven’t had any transfers in the portal error (while he was on vacation even), when he acknowledged they’ve gone after portal guys they just haven’t succeeded in getting them.

Why is the portal a bad thing? The portal in itself is a good thing IMO, it’s only when it’s combined with the current iteration of NIL that it becomes “bad.” NIL as it was intended is not bad, but it’s mostly become “collectives” paying guys to go to certain schools, which is pretty much the opposite of what NIL is supposed to be. I do think Ryan was basically saying NIL in its current form is bad, because it means you have to pay specific guys to get them to stay (not really based on their NIL) and that money could have otherwise went to support the program as a whole.

It was a good discussion overall, but seemed contradictory at times and they were kinda arguing past each other and repeating what they said on x/twitter. They were both partly wrong. I was expecting them to apologize to each other but they were kinda still making the 2 different arguments on the show. The original story is Ryan got mad because he thought Pyles was equating “going after transfers” with NIL/portal. Pyles technically never said NIL, but the original post he was replying to talked about Michigan “buying” guys (probably why on FRL Ryan said something about “go read the original tweet”). Advantage Ryan. However Ryan followed up by saying “your post said McKenna & Tate were in NIL era,” which it didn’t. Advantage Pyle. On the show Ryan did acknowledge they go after guys in the portal, and that any team should, but for the most part denied that they reach out to any guys not in the portal, but made a point to say that wasn’t against the rules as long as it wasn’t a coach. Here was most of the original convo: