SetonHallPirate

I get that, Gimp, but we're discussing rules suggestions here, and the wording and parameters to make them work. This is why Secretary-Rules Editors exist at the college level, after all.

Hadn't thought of what you suggested, but allowing "defer" actually might be a good idea to combat this sort of zugzwang (yes, that's a word...I didn't just make it up) scenario. As far as the back-to-back dual issue, my suggestion would be to waive the rest rule in that specific instance...although doesn't the rest rule specifically apply to tournaments and not duals as written? I'd have no issue with the rest rule being waived in this specific instance, as after the second match is over, you know the wrestler is getting a fairly long (at least the length of the dual) rest anyway.

Here's my thinking (this may sound familiar to college fans, as it's the current rule): There's a coin toss, and the winner gets choice of either start weight or odd/even matches (lightest to heaviest). Loser gets choice of the other. Thinking is that in high school, choice of one won't be that substantial over the other. This differs from college, where I'd ideally like to get rid of an immediate coin toss, and have coaches "strike" weights alternately until two are left, and then flip from the two remaining weights. This is because the odd/even choice generally serves very little effect in college, and the start weight is a bit too overpowered. Interested in hearing your thoughts, Dave.

Scrubbed...

For those wondering, I’m actually heading up to Morgan State tonight for their dual with Marymount (a tradition I started with F***** State, be at every new D-1 program’s first home dual)…

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-Indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance. Monday, November 20: *Marymount at Morgan State, 6:00 PM *Pittsburgh at Maryland, 7:30 PM Tuesday, November 21: George Mason at American, 7:00 PM Sunday, November 26: Binghamton, Cornell, Lock Haven at Mat Town Open I, hosted by Lock Haven, 9:30 AM South Dakota State at Minnesota, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Iowa at Iowa State, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM)

Texas A&M-Commerce is REALLY stretching the definition of metroplex there…might as well include Baylor and Tarleton State if you want to include TAMU-Commerce.

Full list of D-1 schools in the metroplex (don't have the time to look through the whole thread): Southern Methodist, Texas Christian, Texas-Arlington, North Texas

Because...puppy defense?

Yes.

It’s been about 15-20 a weekend (I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me) so far between D-1 opponents. It’ll become fewer as the season goes on due to dual meets becoming more prevalent than tournaments later in the season, though.

If "snitches get stitches", I'll need to spend the entire gross domestic product of a mid-sized country to turn my skin into a mess consisting of more stitch than epidermis. Basically, I've been sending listings of matches every Monday that need to be changed from MFF to MFFL to the NWCA, as one of the two major software systems (Arena) doesn't have the functionality to log the countable medical forfeit, and I've seen the MFFL in a bracket on Track exactly once. In short, send all hate mail to me.

There are 75 teams, split into six regions (numbered 1-6, pretty similarly to how NCAA Division II is structured, but with some differences in the locations of teams...for example, Bluefield State is in Region 2 for women's, but Region 3 for D-2 men's). I believe, but am not sure, each team can enter 15 wrestlers into the regional tournament, and the top four from each region per weight qualifies for nationals.

UTEP is actually only a six-hour drive from Arizona State, believe it or not. (Heck, UTEP is closer to Arizona State than Tarleton State)

Sure does...won't really matter in terms of qualifying though, as Hedges was not a Division I opponent.

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Thursday, November 16: NC State at Army West Point, 7:00 PM Minnesota at Bucknell, 7:00 PM West Virginia at Clarion, 7:00 PM Friday, November 17: Liberty at Lindenwood, 5:00 PM (4:00 PM) *Dakota Wesleyan at South Dakota State, 6:00 PM (5:00 PM) *Binghamton vs. NC State at Albany, NY, 6:30 PM *Buffalo vs. Northern Colorado at Albany, NY, 6:30 PM *LIU vs. Virginia at Albany, NY, 6:30 PM *Presbyterian vs. Sacred Heart at Albany, NY, 6:30 PM Utah Valley at American, 7:00 PM Campbell vs. Wyoming at Centennial, WY, 7:00 PM (5:00 PM) Michigan at Columbia, 7:00 PM St. Andrews at Queens, 7:00 PM Virginia Tech at Rutgers, 7:00 PM California Baptist vs. Embry-Riddle at Vanguard, 7:00 PM (4:00 PM) *Northern State at South Dakota State, 7:30 PM (6:30 PM) Oklahoma at Little Rock, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) *Binghamton vs. LIU at Albany, NY, 8:30 PM *Buffalo vs. Virginia at Albany, NY, 8:30 PM *NC State vs. Sacred Heart at Albany, NY, 8:30 PM *Northern Colorado vs. Presbyterian at Albany, NY, 8:30 PM *Augustana at South Dakota State, 9:00 PM (8:00 PM) California Baptist at Vanguard, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, November 18: *Bellarmine, Lindenwood, Little Rock, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, SIU Edwardsville at Lindenwood Open, hosted by Lindenwood, 10:00 AM (9:00 AM) Franklin & Marshall, West Virginia at Shorty Hitchcock Classic, hosted by Millersville, 10:00 AM *Air Force, American, Bloomsburg, Bucknell, Cleveland State, Davidson, Edinboro, Kent State, Lock Haven, Navy, Nebraska, Ohio, Princeton, The Citadel at Navy Classic, Owings Mills, MD, 10:00 AM *Sacred Heart at Cornell, 12:00 PM Morgan State at George Mason, 12:00 PM Minnesota vs. Morgan State at George Mason, 1:30 PM Minnesota at George Mason, 3:00 PM Sunday, November 19: *Appalachian State, Drexel, Duke, Franklin & Marshall, Harvard, Indiana, Penn, Sacred Heart, Utah Valley, Virginia Tech at Keystone Classic, hosted by Penn, 9:30 AM Army West Point, Binghamton, Brown, Buffalo, Gardner-Webb, LIU, Michigan State, Northern Colorado, Penn State, Rutgers at Black Knight Invitational, hosted by Army West Point, 10:00 AM Ohio State at Columbia, 11:00 AM *Minnesota, Northern Iowa, South Dakota State at Daktronics Open, hosted by South Dakota State, 11:00 AM (10:00 AM) Cal Poly, California Baptist, CSU Bakersfield at Roadrunner Open, hosted by CSU Bakersfield, 12:00 PM (9:00 AM) *Indianapolis at Purdue, 12:00 PM Utah Valley at Spokane Open, Spokane, WA, 12:00 PM (9:00 AM) Central Michigan vs. North Carolina at Illinois, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Oregon State at Iowa, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) North Dakota State at Oklahoma, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Pittsburgh at Lehigh, 2:00 PM Arizona State at Missouri, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) *Northern Illinois at Purdue, 2:00 PM Michigan at Rider, 2:00 PM Limestone at VMI, 2:00 PM Iowa State vs. Wisconsin at Humboldt, IA, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) North Carolina at Illinois, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) Ohio State at Hofstra, 4:00 PM *Northern Illinois vs. Indianapolis at Purdue, 4:00 PM Central Michigan at Illinois, 5:00 PM (4:00 PM) Marymount at VMI, 5:00 PM

I’d direct you to the guy in charge of the NCAA when that decision was made, but given that he’s been dead since 2009, I don’t think he’s available for comment.

You'd have at least 17 months...rule changes are only made in odd years.

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Thursday, November 9: Oklahoma at Central Michigan, 7:00 PM Friday, November 10: Rider at Indiana, 6:00 PM Kentucky Wesleyan at Bellarmine, 7:00 PM Ohio State at Virginia Tech, 7:00 PM Campbell at Nebraska, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Bucknell at Oklahoma State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Wyoming at CSU Bakersfield, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, November 11: Air Force, Appalachian State, Gardner-Webb, Presbyterian, Virginia at Mountaineer Invitational, hosted by Appalachian State, 9:00 AM Central Michigan, Michigan, Michigan State, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Oklahoma, Wisconsin at Michigan State Open, hosted by Michigan State, 9:30 AM Buffalo vs. LIU at Bethlehem, PA, 10:00 AM *Northern Iowa at Grand View Open, Johnston, IA, 10:00 AM (9:00 AM) Minnesota, North Dakota State, South Dakota State at Bison Open, hosted by North Dakota State, 10:00 AM (9:00 AM) Cal Poly, Lindenwood, Little Rock, Maryland, Missouri at Tiger Style Invitational, Kansas City, MO, 11:00 AM (10:00 AM) Bloomsburg vs. NC State at Bethlehem, PA, 12:00 PM Buffalo vs. North Carolina at Bethlehem, PA, 12:00 PM LIU vs. Sacred Heart at Bethlehem, PA, 12:00 PM American vs. Clarion at George Mason, 12:00 PM The Citadel at George Mason, 12:00 PM Chattanooga at Ohio, 1:00 PM American vs. Millersville at George Mason, 1:30 PM Clarion at George Mason, 1:30 PM Arizona State vs. Lock Haven at Bethlehem, PA, 2:00 PM Army West Point vs. Purdue at Bethlehem, PA, 2:00 PM Bloomsburg vs. Sacred Heart at Bethlehem, PA, 2:00 PM *Bucknell at Oklahoma Wesleyan, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Chattanooga vs. Ashland at Ohio, 2:30 PM Clarion vs. The Citadel at George Mason, 3:00 PM Millersville at George Mason, 3:00 PM Arizona State vs. North Carolina at Bethlehem, PA, 4:00 PM Army West Point vs. Lock Haven at Bethlehem, PA, 4:00 PM NC State vs. Purdue at Bethlehem, PA, 4:00 PM Ashland at Ohio, 4:00 PM Williams at George Mason, 4:30 PM The Citadel vs. Millersville at George Mason, 4:30 PM Queens at Averett, 5:00 PM *Wyoming at California Baptist, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Sunday, November 12: *Queens at Cougar Open, hosted by Averett, 9:00 AM *Arizona State, Army West Point, Bloomsburg, Buffalo, Cornell, Franklin & Marshall, Harvard, Hofstra, Lehigh, LIU, Lock Haven, NC State, Penn, Penn State, Purdue, Sacred Heart at Journeymen Collegiate Classic, Bethlehem, PA, 9:00 AM *Edinboro at Bob Del Rosa Ohio Intercollegiate Open, hosted by Case Western Reserve, 10:00 AM Morgan State at Navy, 12:00 PM Pittsburgh vs. VMI at Navy, 12:00 PM Edinboro at Ohio State, 12:00 PM Cleveland State at West Virginia, 1:00 PM Duke vs. Kent State at West Virginia, 1:00 PM Morgan State vs. Pittsburgh at Navy, 1:30 PM VMI at Navy, 1:30 PM Rider at SIU Edwardsville, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Morgan State vs. VMI at Navy, 3:00 PM Pittsburgh at Navy, 3:00 PM Cleveland State vs. Duke at West Virginia, 3:00 PM Kent State at West Virginia, 3:00 PM *Nebraska-Kearney at Stanford, 4:00 PM (1:00 PM) *American at Virginia Tech, 4:00 PM Duke at West Virginia, 5:00 PM Davidson at Iowa State, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM)

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Just a reminder: It's not Cal-Baptist, or Cal Baptist. It's California Baptist. (got an e-mail from their sports information department a year or two ago about this)

I have no earthly idea what you're talking about.

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Wednesday, November 1: Brockport at Buffalo, 1:00 PM Seton Hill at Buffalo, 2:30 PM Niagara County CC at Buffalo, 4:00 PM Army West Point vs. Campbell at Fayetteville, NC, 5:00 PM Glenville State at Buffalo, 5:30 PM Allen at The Citadel, 6:00 PM NC State vs. Presbyterian at Fayetteville, NC, 7:30 PM Montreat at The Citadel, 7:30 PM Carl Albert at Little Rock, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Thursday, November 2: Greensboro at North Carolina, 1:00 PM Oregon State vs. Queens at North Carolina, 1:00 PM Queens at North Carolina, 3:00 PM Oregon State vs. Greensboro at North Carolina, 3:00 PM Oregon State at North Carolina, 5:00 PM Queens vs. Greensboro at North Carolina, 5:00 PM Maryland at American, 7:00 PM SIU Edwardsville at Illinois, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM) Friday, November 3: Lindenwood vs. St. Ambrose at Northern Illinois, 4:00 PM (3:00 PM) St. Ambrose at Northern Illinois, 5:30 PM (4:30 PM) NC State at Appalachian State, 7:00 PM Duke vs. Rutgers at Cal Poly, 7:00 PM (4:00 PM) Fort Hays State at Northern Colorado, 7:00 PM (5:00 PM) Lindenwood at Northern Illinois, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM) Duke at Cal Poly, 9:00 PM (6:00 PM) New Mexico Highlands at Northern Colorado, 9:00 PM (7:00 PM) Rutgers at Cal Poly, 10:30 PM (7:30 PM) Saturday, November 4: *Bellarmine at Patriot Open, hosted by Cumberlands, 9:00 AM Campbell, Chattanooga, Davidson, Franklin & Marshall, Morgan State, Ohio, Oregon State, Utah Valley, Virginia, Virginia Tech, VMI, West Virginia at Southeast Open, hosted by Roanoke, 9:00 AM SIU Edwardsville at Kaufman/Brand/Bayly Open, St. Louis, MO, 10:00 AM (9:00 AM) *Cal Poly, CSU Bakersfield at Menlo Open, hosted by Menlo, 12:00 PM Navy at Illinois, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Nebraska at North Dakota State, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) *Duke at Stanford, 7:00 PM (4:00 PM) Western Colorado at Air Force, 8:00 PM (6:00 PM) Iowa at California Baptist, 9:00 PM (6:00 PM) Colorado State-Pueblo at Air Force, 9:30 PM (7:30 PM) Sunday, November 5: Brown, Buffalo, Clarion, Columbia, Edinboro, Gardner-Webb, Kent State, Michigan State, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Purdue at Clarion Open, hosted by Clarion, 9:00 AM *Army West Point, Bloomsburg, Hofstra, Lehigh, Lock Haven, Princeton, Rider at Princeton Open, hosted by Princeton, 9:00 AM American, Appalachian State, Drexel, George Mason, Indiana, The Citadel at Battle at the Citadel, hosted by The Citadel, 9:00 AM *Utah Valley at Rookie Open, hosted by Colorado School of Mines, 12:00 PM (10:00 AM) Cleveland State vs. Iowa State at Massillon, OH, 2:00 PM Lindenwood at Wisconsin, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Western Wyoming at Wyoming, 3:00 PM (1:00 PM)

The number this VP quoted to me was more than that. But I suspect most A5 schools don’t want to start programs unless they have a shot at a national championship. Simply “existing” is not a goal for them.

Just pragmatic reality. Talked to an A5 University Vice President at the NWCA Convention over the summer and asked him what it would take to start a program at his institution, let’s just say the number they asked for was a kick-rocks number.