Jimmy Cinnabon

Yes National Duals would be cool.

Didn't Hendrickson lose to Tate Orndorf last year?

125- Lee 133- RBY 141- Woods 149- Yianni 157- AOC 165- Carr 174- Starocci 184- Brooks 197- Allred 285- Parris

He's lost this year and a bunch of other guys haven't

+ Woods belongs in there based on undefeated and bonus percentage

Possibly but Nino is undefeated and Brooks is not.

1. Lee 2. Carr 3. Parris 4.Yianni 5. RBY 6. Woods 7. Starocci 8. AOC 9. Nino 10. Brooks

From Penn State have to go with Aaron Brooks. Classy, humble young man who is fueled by his faith in our lord and savior Jesus Christ. Brock Hardy from Nebraska. David Carr from Iowa St. Paniro Johnson also from Iowa St. Who you got?

Sure, although as a PSU fan I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about Iowa. 125 Spencer A. Only not a A+ due to no bonus in finals 133 Teske B+ 141 Woods A+ My favorite to win NCAAs at 141 149 Murin A-. Placed 3rd when seeded 4th. Now 3 wins a row over SVN. 157 Siebrecht C. I think he placed 2 slots lower than seeded. Not sure how he'll do at NCAAs. Could make AA or flame out early. 165 Kennedy A- Made the finals but dominated by Hamiti 174 Brands B+ I think he placed a bit higher than seed? 184 Assad C I think he stunk up the joint. Probably weakest Iowa link 197 Warner C I think he also didn't do great HWT Cass B+ Took 3rd, seeded 3rd lots of bonus. Still can't crack the Kerk code.

Stevo Poulin

He's currently a 24 year old junior.

My point is arguing that there should be different rules for the edge of the mat and the rest of the mat is silly and stupid, when Robb clearly had one or two feet in bounds the entire time.

Another way to look at it: the takedown that Haines had to win the bout in OT. Imagine that happens but at the edge of the mat. Robb hits the mat with 0:01 left in SV. According to the logic presented by some in this thread it should be not be a takedown because Robb needs to be afforded reaction time to defend. Therefore, no TD and on we go. Does that sound like the right result?

Fix and Lee are both 24 I think

That's the thing though. Given Haines' position and Robb's control of him, giving him 2-3 seconds to "react" wouldn't have changed anything. There was nothing Haines could have done from that position to avoid the TD. Imagine if the same sequence happens but they land in the middle of the mat instead. Can you imagine that situation not ending in a TD for Robb? If your answer is "well, but his feet would be in bounds in the center" that's irrelevant as Robb's feet stayed in bounds during the actual sequence too.

Don't forget Kaleb Young, another PA guy who competed well for Iowa

Just answer the question directly please. It sounds like you are saying you would call no take down in this hypo where Robb has both ankles and Haines falls directly on his butt with 0:01 on the clock.

I didn't say you said that. I am offering another example to show how absurd the result can be if you always require reaction time. In my hypo, according to you, you would say no TD because he didn't get time to react?

Ok, so let's say with 3 seconds left Robb shoots and has both of Haines' knees or ankles. Haines fall backward and at 0:01 left his butt hits the mat. Robb is hugging both legs and Haines is sitting up. Are you claiming this is no TD because you have to give Haines time to react?

Not better than Woods...who's gonna win a 'ship

Even noted PSU homer Willie thinks this was a clear TD

See Nagao vs RBY. He was down 5 and threw double boots for the remainder of the third period. I guess he did manage to get a riding time point...

what about defensive chest wraps? The move is done solely to force a stalemate.

I previously proposed that touching the ankles should not be allowed period when on top (including when you are on top from neutral defending a shot) and people thought the idea absurd.

That is a bit of an overstatement. It will be a close battle and Penn State very well could end up in 2nd.