Dark Energy

How can you say it is not an actual risk? Please prove why it is not.

How often has the presence of police prevented a crime? Give me a number. If you can’t … well … I guess that means we should eliminate police. How many invasions did National militaries prevent. comical.

This reply makes you sound like a spoiled child. Oh no, you need to take your shoes off. Can you picture the situation where people are afraid to fly? How impactful that would be? You sound like someone that has never led a large organization and had to make hard decisions. Shoes were proven to be an article of clothing that needed closer inspection. So people made the hard decision to do so. Oh no! I could appreciate your points on the Patriot act but now I realize I was being generous. Instead you are a professional whiner.

Who said I’m on the right? Did you see the last part of my post?

Were you alive on Sept 11, 2001? Did you experience it? What were the odds of another similar or mass terrorism driven casualty event to follow in the next 10 years? I thought damn high at the time. Didn’t happen. How was this was prevented? Intel. A government must protect it’s people. That said, I’m not expert on the ins and outs and gov’t power may be being abused. I don’t know. So I support pressure from people like yourself to drive oversight and accountability.

I don’t know. I would suggest that an Israeli leader should not give details on this either. What they do or do not know regarding activity of AJ employees is intelligence itself. They don’t need to, not should they justify it. That said, I recognize that this is opaque. However, neither you nor I deserve info on this. I served, I dealt with classified info. Intelligence can be gleaned from startling ways. One way to avoid, be silent.

Good answer. Israel is at war. @braves121- you are sounding like a child on this. During war, yes, certain civil liberties are curtailed. National security during a war is a major issue and steps are likely taken, to be careful, that would not be taken during peace.

WSJ had an interesting article regarding the amount of training prep went into the protests. Smart.

As I reflect - I don’t know that Hamas will surrender. Probably won’t. But they will get whittled down enough to all for major operations to end. Not sure how Israel will unwrap themselves as an occupying force. They tried to let Gaza self govern. Terrorists were elected. Didn’t go well. I expect this whole thing will continue to suck for a long time.

Fundamentally we differ on some key points. 1) I believe Israel is not ethnically cleansing Gaza. You do. The facts are on my side. There are not 800,000+ dead. Israel is actually allowing aid in. If they were ethnically cleansing this would not be the case. To say otherwise is ignoring the facts on the ground. There are many dead, but this is not cleansing. 2) I believe Hamas knew that their actions on Oct 7 would draw Israeli fury and would result in innocent deaths because they knew they would be hiding beneath and behind innocents. For this, they should be called out for their offenses and tactics and no quarter should be given. It is Hamas that deserves the scorn, more than Israel. You won’t acknowledge that Hamas wanted this and made it happen. 3) I believe Israel is at war and war is ugly. Particularly with Hamas using the tactics they are. I believe Israel is trying not to kill innocents. If they were not we would see fire bombing and carpet bombing, and no aid being admitted. I believe they have done badly in some situations, as the U.S. has, as any invading army has over the centuries. Pressure to do better is fine. But calling out genocide or ethnic cleansing is ridiculous. Oct 7 does give Israel the right to kill Hamas - and if that means innocents die, that is a bitter result that Hamas is causing through their actions. To you, Hamas can fire mortars, invade Israel, inflict terrorist attacks, then run back under the cover of innocents and Israel would just have to take it. Or send troops in small groups, go door to door, and go through tunnels. No airpower to help, no heavy weapons. Sure, that would go well. I’d like to see you or any of your loved ones on the tip of that spear. It is naive on its face. 4) I believe world opinion can have impact on Hamas. They did what they did with world optics in mind. To think otherwise is naive. And yes, I believe that protestors, making world news, while slamming Israel, also saying that Hamas is evil and should surrender, would make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Would show them that their tactics are causing blow back and they are losing friends and supporters. Q - when protestors in the Middle East protest Israel or the U.S. and burn effigies, why do they do it? To get a message across. Protestors here can do the same to Hamas. I also believe that by being so plainly, and only anti Israel in their chants and their signs, they are missing an opportunity to win friends by getting across that violence as a whole is a bad approach. That they don’t agree with Hamas either. Hamas should surrender. If they did this, they would gather more support. You seem to disagree. 5) I believe most leaders in this kind of situation would surrender. Recall most wars. Surrender is an option. It would protect innocents. The fact that Hamas is not surrendering is interesting. They want more innocent blood spilled. I believe that. You don’t acknowledge this. 6) Real solutions? Hamas surrenders only if so much of what they (you) want is given to them? What? You call that real? That is fantasy. There is NO WAY this kind of action can be rewarded. My thought on unconditional surrender is more realistic. The dogs will be drastically reduced. They must learn that their tactics don’t work. And the people that support them must reconsider their support. 7) I thought we were in some agreement on the following … You acknowledged that the protestors (of which you are one) feel that Hamas is on their side for the broader picture. It makes it hard for them to criticize Hamas. They may not like Oct 7, but still on the same side big picture. Feel free to further clarify.

Hard to write out on a phone but will try to address. 1) call for a ceasefire? That is all you want? I thought you wanted an end to the bloodshed? No? A pause isn’t what is needed. Do you not agree that after the atrocities and purposeful, targeted mass murder, rape and kidnapping of innocents by a Hamas that Israel has a right to defend itself, hunt down, and destroy the perpetrators and those that enable it? I’m sure you do. Now, how to do that. How about sitting on border and asking Hamas to come out of their holes and from behind innocents and fight in the open, and yes, there is open space, even in Gaza. Ha! Israel would have preferred that but Hamas decided to PURPOSEFULLY hide under and behind civilians. They wanted Israel to have to kill innocents to get to them. The anger should be with Hamas and their cowardly evil ways. 2) Real world context? I’m expressly including that. I’m asking protestors, yourself included, to protest Hamas as well. Protest their expressly purposeful mass targeting of innocents, raping them, and kidnapping them. Scream for Hamas to surrender to end this. This will likely be as ineffective as the current goal of destroying Israel. Agreed. But at least it would show that they care about innocents and not simply eliminating Israel. It’s willful blindness regarding the act that resulted in Israel’s rage. You do acknowledge that they are on Hamas’s side. Hamas is on their side. That is a good step. Admitting it. Fine. To be honest with intentions is a good thing. The protestors are on the side of Hamas and thus will not say anything bad about them. Will not make demands of them. They are good with Hamas continuing to fight and launching attacks from civilian areas. They just don’t want Israel to try to get to them anymore. You recognize human emotions. Do you recognize the human emotions of people in Israel? People with their past? The spectre of real genocide the looms over them. The wars fought to eliminate Israel? Surely, with a focus on human feelings, you can empathize with the horror their culture and people have dealt with as they try to protect themselves from aggressors, terrorists, and those that would seek to eliminate them from what they consider their homeland. Yes, this is complicated. Very. There are two sides. Great people have tried to reach deals. Two state solutions have been put on table. Arafat came close but the politics are very complicated within the Palestinian / Arab camps. As it is in Israel. That said, Oct 7 was the work of animals. Those that say — well, we are going to shy away from it, and minimize it because they are on my side … well, that shows your colors. At the end you say Hamas should surrender but you have conditions. No, no conditions. Unconditional surrender. They do not deserve conditions. By you needing conditions, you defend them … hold them out to be heros. Make is so their evil is rewarded by the outcome you want. Again, you show your colors. No. No conditions. Surrender and face punishment so that innocents no longer need to shield your cowardice. Regarding Israel, they do have blood on their hands. Their allowance of settlements in the West Bank should be condemned, protested, and stopped. I agree. I do not sentence them to mass slaughter, rape and kidnapping.

The point would be to highlight that they are protesting to protect innocents and not just Palestinian innocents. They would have way more support if that was the cause. But it is not. It is clearly anti Israel. By showing Hamas that they are hated, even in pro Palestinian protests, it will help erode their support. By telling Hamas to surrender, it would show that the protestors are actually peace loving. Their silence here indicates support for Hamas. They want the elimination of Israel, not saving lives. It is clear as day. And you know it. Wiggle out of directly agreeing that Palestinians shouting for Hamas to surrender would SAVE lives. Wiggle out of agreeing, and demanding in your protests, that Hamas should surrender and face the punishment of their crimes. It shows your true stance.

You are deflecting. It would be very powerful for Palestinians to point to Hamas as barbarians who committed an atrocity and shouted that they are unwelcome. If Hamas’ support dried up it would help to kill their movement. And they may very well lay down their arms. Why don’t you suggest to your protestors to shame Hamas and declare that Hamas should surrender. Don’t you agree that this would end the fighting and the horror? If you care most about innocents, then you all should be shouting for this. Don’t point at just one party you feel is bad, point at them both. I believe you won’t. Hypocrisy is thick.

Israel needs to rip the poisonous weed of Hamas out root and stem. Hamas can end this by surrendering, by no longer fighting back. Since Hamas was the EVIL perpetrators of the Oct 7 massacre and they clearly expected and wanted a vicious counter attack that would harm many that they hide behind, why aren’t innocent palestinians and their supporters demanding and protesting for Hamas to surrender? @uncle bernard - do your protests call for the surrender of Hamas? I believe you agree Hamas is evil and should be held accountable. It is the quickest way to end this. The innocent Palestinian people should rise up against the animals that use them as shields.

I recall some discussion of it being 1M+. Real? Not sure. Some felt it was a very big NIL deal for all of college athletes. But I don’t know.

I never said risk free. I also pointed out long term. That means not point in time.

Reasonable long term - market return of 7-8% and inflation in the 2.5% range. Market has far surpassed that the past 5, 10, 15 and 20 yr periods. Doesn’t guarantee future but I went with a reasonable figure.

Hoping he has pocketed at least $500k he can invest. Don’t touch. With real rate of return of 5% he can have almost $3M in today’s dollars in 35 yrs or perhaps $6M+ in nominal terms. Good nest egg for retirement. And that is before he adds to it from whatever career he picks.

Spencer and Zain are going to make mincemeat of whoever they face. My prediction. Feel very confident. Rest of the field is worried about Zain, the 2023 WORLD CHAMPION at 70kg.. And they should be worried about Spencer.

Wait, Pyles predicted that they were going to talk to others. The post heaped ridicule on that idea. Seems like you are against giving Pyles any credit for some reason. Go for it.

@Hammerlock3 - Here is a quote from the OP. See below. I am curious if the poster is reconsidering that perhaps they actually ARE considering someone besides Coleman. Joking aside, he suggests OSU should reach out to Pat Pop, Pendleton, Branch, etc. What?! Why would anybody think they’d even consider someone besides Coleman??

@The_KC_Godfather - still feeling this way? On latest FRL, Pyles is doubling down that they are really considering other candidates. The length of time it is taking to announce a new HC is seen as evidence. Thoughts?

Thanks for this @uncle bernard. On #2 - can you clarify? Anti Zionism is the core but a two state solution is ok? Also, ‘from the river to the sea’ is clearly about the state of Israel not existing. It seems you are trying to push a different meaning. Are you? For #3 - fair answer. It does seem that there is evidence of a fair number of protestors supporting Hamas. Glad to hear you feel that the large large majority do not.

@uncle bernard - just popping thus up as you mentioned you would get back to answer these questions. Read quote. I would amplify that if the protests were just about protecting innocents, awesome. Is that the only demand or desire from your protest crew? From major news media I’m seeing it go beyond this. Chants against Israel existing. Being against zionism. Is your protest, or those that you are with, getting this idea / demand across? If so, this is where you lose me and I would guess many others. Is there any aspect of your protest that appears to be pro hamas or otherwise justify Oct 7 … perhaps by blaming Israel? Do any of your team of protestors actively decry Oct 7 and protest Hamas’ actions on that day - Hamas’ targeting, killing, raping, and kidnapping ‘innocents’ ? Trying to get a better sense of what the FULL protest message is about.

I just searched for a Greg Moyer and Penn State wrestling. Found a Twitter / X handle that is now an error. See pic. Is / was this guy actually officially or semi-officially connected with NLWC? Just seems off. Sure you have the right guy? Broken twitter page is a bad sign. But this doesn’t seem like a real wrestling fan, really connected to the sport, would do.