WrestlingRasta

NIL and portal are the new way of the world. Has its positives and its negatives. I believe it is a trend that is toward, not against, preparing college kids for the real world, so I have a hard time hating it.

I was just cracking on the day late and dollar short line. It's just the evolution of this thing. College football has been around for 160 years. Only in the last 25 have we even had a 'guarantee' of a real national championship game. We wanted to keep that tight because we still wanted the unique importance of CFB's regular season. But then we whined and cried and wanted more teams and wanted the consistent, color blind, computer driven formulas out of it. So we added a couple teams and brought 13 people heavily involved in college football team in to a room to watch every team and every game together and dissect and pick apart and analyze and give us the four teams that work produced as the final four....and they get it all wrong and they don't know what they are doing and they have a hidden agenda. So we add more teams and now it's too late and short.... See what I mean?

It’s been a pretty cool evolution really, from the AP to the BCS to the expanding playoff. The sad thing about the new format is all the intrigue that will be lost from this past Saturday. In the new format, Oregon, Georgia and FSU are all in. Not saying it’s a bad thing for college football, just a bad thing for championship Saturday.

So football should just go by the way side, never to be played again….

Thanks. Since you circled the paragraph that we’re all aware of with red, I guess I was wrong. There haven’t in fact been a bunch of undefeated teams left out of the championship format. But why didn’t you circle the next paragraph where it says “based on the members evaluation of performance on the field”. Why doesn’t it say based on their win/loss record??? I don’t think we need to go on further. You believe they got it wrong. I agree with them based in the protocols written. Not sure what else needs to be said.

I have literally heard network people on TV say today that FSU should not be penalized because of the injury. It is not a straw man, it is an actual argument being made by people. College football is also loaded with undefeated teams not being part of the championship format. Fortunately we won’t have to worry about that anymore.

As a coach (not a head coach anymore). I always had a 24 hour rule. I don’t want parents talking to me about anything with the prior competition until 24 hours after. I have, somewhat, of relationship with this guy. We’re friendly. I’m an older guy who’s been around a minute, he’s a younger buck in his first few years coaching. He knows me as someone who has been around, built a few programs, state leader for Fargo, etc. It’s not exactly a typical parent/other coach type scenario. That doesn’t really factor in I don’t think.

Nice responses, thanks. I did not say anything yesterday, and my son didn’t say anything about it so I am going to see assume he didn’t notice. He came up and asked me “can you show me how to defend that cradle, I don’t know what I’m doing down there” Have thought about it a lot since the time occurred, and knew what my plan was before posting above, but was just curious to see others thoughts, how they may handle it. My plan is this….I’ll see him Tuesday night, and at some point I’ll ask if he’s got a minute. And I’m not going to talk to him not as a pissed off dad, but rather, give him a short back ground, ask him if he agrees with me that we could use a whole lot more kids going through wrestling these days, and explain to him that a kid walked out there not wanting to be there, but threw his feet to the fire knowing he was going to get the shit kicked out of him but because he’s been lead to believe it will do him a lot of good…and you laughed at him. As one wrestling coach to another I’d just ask you to think about that.

That playing without one of the best players in the nation shouldn’t be a factor. (Even though it is written in the protocols)

That being undefeated goes above all

And round and round we go. And that’s my biggest point. There’s good arguments both sides, there’s bad arguments on both sides. At the end of the day this group of 13 people who watched a hell of a lot more of these teams than we did took that whole package and put out their consensus top four. I felt the same way, others did not. This one is going to be a debate for years to come, even if bama wins the whole thing.

Coach Norvell’s statement is extremely valid.

Given that context, does FSU’s 2 point win over 6-6 Boston College; being taken to the depths by 5-7 Florida; an overtime win against an unranked team, etc. do those games count in the everything counts context too?

Who’s ready to argue #’s 12 and 13 next year??

I don’t disagree they had to squeak out games they were favored to win by more. I have no agenda here. I’m just saying based on the way this thing is written up, I agree with exactly how the final shaked out. I completely disagree this was a one week decision. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that.

No. At. All.

Maybe some, true. But you’re going to sit there and say that you pretend to know what’s in the mind of all these people? Not to mention you are arguing against your own arguing. Again I ask, you think if it was just based on yesterday….controlling Georgia from start to finish in Atlanta….you honestly think there would be any debate. It’s because the whole season factors in that there is debate around Alabama.

Who said they don’t count or factor in? Do you think if they didn’t, there would be any debate what so ever that a 1 loss SEC champ Alabama who just beat the #1 team on a 29 game winning streak in a great game at the peak of the season should be in??? If those games didn’t count there would be zero debate. It’s perfectly fine to pick apart Bama or Texas’ schedule and say FSU should be in. But again, where is FSU’s signature win? If you watched all the games yesterday, what does your eyeball test tell you (and yes eyeball test and available roster does matter, that’s why the committee gets together to watch the games together)

That’s what I think it comes down to. The role in the room is supposed to pick the four best teams at the end of the season. Just don’t think Florida State is one of the top 6-7 teams right now.

Here’s a good one. My youngest son, I/we are forcing to wrestle this year. He needs it, and at the same time, mom needs to finally cut the chord. There is a connection between the two, I’m sure everyone here understands, hence, he is wrestling this year to develop some specific life skills. It goes without saying, he has no business in a varsity wrestling match after just two weeks of practice, but there’s a hole at his weight this weekend. (side note, I’m the coach for the rival of the school he goes to, I started both programs, so it’s an interesting dynamic) Anyway, yesterday for the first time in my life I’m just a wrestling dad in the bleachers. Duals pool competition. I’m looking at the pool and we draw the toughest teams at the tournament. Two historically state championship teams. Needless to say it was a very rough day for him. But to the point. One match in particular, my son’s opponent is a returning state placer, senior, full developed at 150lbs, and my son barely has peach fuzz under his arms. As they walked out on the mat, the other coaches were laughing. And I’m ‘friends’ with them from coaching in the area. But they don’t know who he is. Match last about 15 seconds and coming off they’re laughing and the comment was, “what a waste of time”. Do I say something?

What is so impressive about FSU’s schedule? They didn’t play one top ten team all year (unless you count the pre-season ranking of LSU). What is their signature win? Is it as good as a win over the two time defending champ on a 29 game winning streak at the peak of the season? Who is going to play quarterback? Edit: just realized haven’t given mine. Michigan-Washington-Texas-Bama in that order. I don’t like picking Bama. But is what it is.

I think FSU has to win by 35-40 to move any needle in that room.

If Bama is in Texas has to be in right? They won AT Bama

In a perfect world, Bama wins, Iowa wins, Florida State wins. Chaos. Who’s your final four?

What do you mean by normalize the numbers?