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It’s a sound idea. I think not accepting Olympic redshirts will actually be the hardest pill to get coaches and the NCAA to agree to Then the next question is.. how are medical redshirts handled? Because getting that accepted will be almost as hard. I really think people’s view of this is super warped because of the Covid years.. And this is where I might offend some people.. but a lot of the.. vitriol seems to come from either not getting the same chances or because it doesn’t work that way in hs

I was more referring to the injury guys

It’s looks like O’Connor is going to be on one. Spencer will be for sure. Who else?

Are they Big12?

I’m very sure Mr. Dole hit it on the head. The decision to let states “choose” their number of weights was to mask forfeits. ironically, lol I think the relaxation on petty rules like hair and beards long term do more than going with 12/13 weights. The only good argument I see for 13 weights is dual meets. To help with tie breakers but that’s a band aid

Damn, I knew Litigious Jersey Danny man ticked you off Willie. But damn

This goes without saying but if you can make sure you separate 5-8 year olds from 9-12 year olds. If you can

Are they out for the season?

Thoughts based on a very cursory view of results. 1. Cal Poly under Sioredas continues to build 2. Mizzou as a team seems stuck in that 10th-5th purgatory 3. Clemson is doing work at Maryland and is finally getting his recruits in and while might struggle in duals. Will have solid tournament results 4. Illinois is going to be very dangerous the next 2-3 years

Laces shirttails (one on one or free for all) knee sumo free for all Sharks and minnows but you have to put person on their back to be out, have them stay on knees patty cake step game push up position hand tag dodge ball

I agree. I think people really don’t want to address the fact a lot of coaches think building an effective program means making them run till they puke. I think the numbers issue would be still a thing but nowhere near as bad if coaches stopped trying to be what they “think” Gable was.

I agree about 12/13 weight classes masking the problem. And I feel that 110 vs 100 in my soul already this season lol.

I don’t disagree

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The NFHS is changing the weight classes above 138 next year. And some states are going with 12/13 weights for their seasons. Interested in peoples thoughts on 1. 12-13 weight classes instead of 14 2. the new weights for the 2023-2024 season out of 14. 106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 144, 150, 157, 165, 175, 190, 215, 285. 3. should forfeits be worth more than 6 team points(I like the point scored/earned Bryant and Schalles have suggested. But I don’t see them happening) interested in y’all’s thoughts

Lol. You think it will be?

There’s not any simple solutions. As far as the thread. Some of the views seem either naive or bitter due to not getting the same chances

I think people need to really confront whether or not they want to grow the sport. Which can is being done.. or decide if they want it to only become a primarily upper middle and upper class club sport. But I don’t think people are willing to confront the reality. What I’ve also noticed is that there is a certain subset of people that seem to be against anything that’s makes it more possible for a kid who started later, to catch up to the kid that was dragged around the country and had a bunch of money spent on them from a young age. It will be interesting to see how it goes the next few years

People pointed out that gray shirting is much more likely to be done and doable for upper middle and high income families.. than to lower middle and low income families. especially because access to sport in general and especially sports like wrestling is getting expensive The TS started a specious argument that redshirting as an active student on campus is comparable.. when it is not. For me at least, it isn’t about “begrudging” anything. It’s stating facts on the ground.

Sigh, you do really not process the difference of actually being in school taking classes.. with financial aid, Pell grants and athletic money.. vs. and not actually in school.. relying on “maybe” some RTC support and “maybe” getting a part time job.. You do understand we are talking about DI athletes right.. 90-95% are going DI because they want to win nationals or AA. And go to school.. it is not “something they just do during college” like most DII and below. When you talk to anyone that actually knows what they are talking about.. the actual difference between DI and below is not the coaching, not how hard they work, not the talent levels because high risk kids are going DI less and less.. and not even really resources.. it’s that DI athletics are a full time job. Period. Hell. One of the main pitches to below DI to athletes is that they get to be a “student-athlete” not an “athlete-student” A lower income family will be much more okay with.. and able to support.. maybe” 5 years on campus where they are on the team and could potentially start.. than figuring out a way to pay for a gap year. I don’t really know if you were a college athlete.. but many athletes still do need redshirts to adjust on life on campus. Taking 12-15 credit hours. Plus 6am workouts, plus individual sessions, plus practice. Plus being away from home. And it isn’t high school.. after week 1. It’s go time, no couple months to adjust If you want to argue for not giving the extra years.. okay. The rest of what you are saying makes you look ignorant

I understand why people would argue against redshirts and/or excessive extra years.. Saying that exclusively having gray shirts would not almost exclusively favor well off families is ludicrous.

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Yes. We need more refs. And pay rates have gone up. I’m my area refs are getting 200 for a tri and 300 for a day tournament. Also the head of sports in our city flat out told us that he will suspend any coach who abuses refs for 5 matches so that should help

I was saying Byrd doesn’t really stall on his knees. And his “low wrestling” is usually literally bear crawling into his offense Mendez did great.

He bearcraws into opponents but uses it to set up offense. He actually doesn’t stay on his knees that much and he doesn’t sit on one knee and wait