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Yup, or their “buddies” did it so the want to defend it

There’s no inconsistency about not overdoing the little kiddy wrestling.. and not putting up with wannabe tuff guy parents.. which is exactly what he does… and then letting the more serious kids dial in when they’re in high school…

Telling the more serious kids what to do if they want to get to the next level in no way changes my point about him not doing the the bad stuff that is making youth wrestling detrimental to the growth of the sport. And the way you’re looking at it is.. not complete. Him coaching the best kids that way doesn’t change the fact he’s not running off kids early and he’s not doing wannabe tuff guy elementary coach crap.

Im not really salty about anything. It’s more so looking at things as they are and long term.

The way you defend some of the toxic aspects of the sport does surprise

The percentage on the toxic way working is pretty low… the amount of those kids staying in wrestling after they’re done.. is even less Long term sustainability is the goal. There is a lot of unnecessary running off of kids and making kids hate the sport. Again the word is “unnecessary” Quite frankly, the people who are okay with the toxic culture and parenting are never the high level athletes or coaches.. and they were high level at something else.. they never actually were put through the year round stuff at those younger ages. So they’ve “seen” a bunch but never actually done it. There’s a reason Askren is so consistently putting out high level athletes And I get your whole thing is being the niche sport guy inside of the niche sport

Nah you explained it pretty well

Wrestleknownothing explained it pretty well. I’ll also add that there are many club coaches that would do things similarly if they could. The problem is that, for 95%+ of guys, if you actually want to build a sustainable club financially. You have to cater to the parents that do the toxic stuff. They’re almost always the ones most willing to spend the money

Alumni raised more than enough to save the program. Notre Dame pocketed the money and kept the money

Alumni raised more than enough to save the program. Notre Dame pocketed the money and kept the money

They might move it to Evansville?? Ew

Just so it’s clear. It’s not just SDSU guys that have.. mixed opinions on Bono. Similar issues have popped up everywhere he’s gone. Wisconsin as a state is in a pickle. They finally are relevant as a hs state but none of their kids are staying. The real problem is youth culture, Askren is succeeding so we’ll because he’s powerful enough to nip the normal youth toxicity and burnout out of his clubs wrestling and development. Especially the dads. He can just kick them out and move on. He also coaches like normal kids can become elite. Almost anyone who tries to beat Askrens results and provide an alternative for Wisconsin in less than 10 years will run into the same toxic dad coach issues undercutting wrestling and he’ll still be churning out studs. People get butthurt about what he says about youth wrestling.. but the way he’s doing things where youth doesn’t matter so much and they’re genuinely trying to create kids who actually want to wrestle for 30 years is working

I mean, if you don’t care about keeping a modicum of competitive balance and want the sport to shrink.. sure

Wrestling keeps shooting itself in the foot and a good chunk want to act like the angry entitled little man martyr instead of taking the steps to be up there with the big sports. Where I coach, we in our area have a new admin who overwhelmingly is supportive of wrestling. Even helped the coaches association with printing out certificates out of his own pocket.. in return he respects professionalism, coaches to answer emails, communicate appropriately if there are bus issues, and have their paperwork in order.. the same thing he expects from football and basketball coaches.. coaches keep coming to me as the Coaches association head and whining about him expecting “too much”. Even though it’s the same expectations as football.. then whine about not getting enough support

It was sweet

I was trying to emphasize and add on to your point. My bad if it came across differently.

Again for the people in the back. Title IX was the excuse not the reason. UTC doesn’t have Baseball or Men’s Soccer but has wrestling. Other schools wrestling teams/coaches made doing it the other way … way too easy with grades, behavior and the coaches doing the “anti politics” wrestling coaches take weird pride in. We also never really pushed to get our guys in Admin. beyond just coaching. Im well aware of what happened to Norte Dame and ODU. There were still dozens of schools where the wrestling team made it pretty easy to pick which team to cut

Assad looking solid

I don’t disagree, but it’s still awesome

I actually think his success at Cal Poly is because of lessons he learned at Grand Canyon before Grand Canyon reneged on their program. This is where my personal bias comes in. I think he would have done a better job at Fresno than the other coaching staff and not gone so far over budget

Flos demographic is is the Dads that’ll pay for every pair of custom socks and Rudis shoes for little Johnny before age 12. That’s why they don’t care about things like Track running right. Because why should they care if a local tournament runs too long or doesn’t populate the consolation bracket. It’s not like those kids will be wrestling in Who’s #1. So who cares about growing the sport. They only make money off the niche demographic that usually opposes measures to grow the sport. So why would they care about transparency

Sioredas is a very good coach. When he was hired some were shocked but he’s one the most respected technicians in the country

They just beat Stanford and have a chance to beat Oregon State for the Pac12 reg season title

The toxic ass dad coach attitude of discarding or looking down on anything not immediately or currently good is killing sport

I’m on record stating that wrestling needs to have an open honest discussion about where it’s going with all that. My point remains the same. Can’t use those few kids as proof a single class is the Bees knees