Jason Bryant

I think you missed the point of my statement.

Every single one of them (at the D1 level) is in danger if the NCAA ever lifts the minimum sport sponsorship requirement to be Division I.

Money talks these days … although it’s not like Lindenwood alumni have the type of clout in the business world like Stanford alumni are.

There's gotta be more to it than just the trophy itself. Gotta be.

I was sitting in the same room as Pyles was when Anthony Holman of the NCAA explained that to the coaches. There's no more fourth place trophies in sports that don't actually determine their placement by head-to-head. So track and field and basically every individual sport x 3 divisions. I'm sure the cost is more than just "making the trophy," though. It does seem a bit high, but I'm also not a trophy maker and the small ones I've ordered from places like Pittsburgh Trophy aren't exactly cheap for the "cheap" ones.

Injury defaulting was always a loss, how rankings outlets treated it is another discussion entirely.

I thought this was about the Vikings MNF performance …

Nope

I never said it was never in the rulebook. I just said it’s not been a term since the 1950s which Gimp proved to be correct. It’s antiquated and redundant and used predominantly by the unintelligent. and a handful of Flo guys.

To my knowledge, the Hulkster never succumbed to a sleeper.

Or go Jeff Foxworthy changing directions in an argument. “Ok, we’ll just go live like your drunk alcoholic mother then …”

Me x @ionel

Now find where it was removed from the rulebook. You’ve ruined my Thanksgiving for the last time!

Edit: see post above.

In a freestyle bout … Joey never went to Fargo, whereas Ringer was quite accomplished at the age group levels. This is not an apples to apples comparison.

Drove through it today. It’s still standing.

And to piggyback on @d3wrestle.com's post, here's my list of announced or active college women's teams. The distinction is NCAA, NAIA and Junior College. NCAA has three divisions, but without a divisional structure as of now with women's wrestling, it would be considered "national collegiate." The Junior Colleges actually have more of a hodgepodge because there's the NJCAA, then the Northwest Conference, which is its own thing separate from the NJCAA (but there are schools that dual affiliate for wrestling) and then there's Springfield Tech, which is a two-year school, but opts to compete with the NCWA. https://almanac.mattalkonline.com/womens-college-wrestling-teams/

The best I can figure is the University Division was actual universities and large public schools and the Ivies, where the College Division was the smaller private schools and smaller public "D3" sized schools. Since the NCAA tournament was "open" until 1968. The formation of the College Division came in 1963, there's a lot of scattering between who was going where. It's also indicative of the true wild west rulesets at the time - where you'd have a team pop up one year, then gone for a couple, then back again for a few. So that's a long way of saying I don't know for sure.

This is where there's a bit of an odd distinction. In 1973, there was no Division 2 yet. That began in the 1973-74 season. Clarion was still in the College Division in 1973, which we've grouped the Division II history with that era, which isn't wholly accurate. The College Division was split, with "University" inheriting the moniker Division 1, while D2 and D3 went their respective directions.

Tone is conversational with an attempt to be informative. If you want to read this with a vitriolic style, that’s not on me.

Audrey was actually their entrant in the EIWAs one year.

Those teams are all grandfathered in. You can’t just “do it” these days. The handful of D3s who play D1 hockey (there is no D2 hockey). There’s the lax schools and of course, F&M in wrestling.

That was still the college division. 73-74 was the first year of the three division format. I wasn’t there yet …

Montclair State was the only D3 in NJ with multiple placewinners. Happened in 1975, 1978, 1985 and they had two AA's in both 1988 and 1989. TCNJ (Trenton State) had one in 1981. D2 and D3 champs/finalists qualifying for D1's was only a thing from 1974-1991.

I don't mean for this to sound snarky, but a lot of these folks chose Division II and Division III for a reason. They like wrestling, they enjoy competing, but while there are serious wrestlers at that level, not everyone's going to want to go out there and compare themselves to a level of wrestling they chose not to compete in. How do we know these guys aren't proving themselves just trying to break the starting lineup at these smaller places? I was announcing the St. Cloud State intrasquad last week and I interviewed the winners afterwards and asked a few what their season goals were - the ones I asked that question to all said their first goal was to just start. Division II and Division III have different rules in terms of access to their coaching staffs, offseason training, etc. Also, since those matches don't count for D1 athletes in the qualification system we currently have (they do count for overall and career records), a number of D1 coaches don't want too many non-D1 athletes in a field.