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Was the move done with the express purpose of threatening or causing a serious head injury in order for the opposing wrestler to release a legal hold?

@uncle bernardyour logic has tremendous holes. Pretty much no move would be illegal. Opponent just needs to defend themselves. Easy as that. Stop being a wus.

Yes. I wrestled. Did you even listen to Askren. He was literal. Very clear. Objective was to threaten injury and bounce head off mat hard. I’m fine with up and down bouncing. I’m not fine with a fast and intentional smashing of opponents head into the mat so that for the next one the person releases a hold. That is bullshit. how is this different from a top wrestler with bottom wrestler flat, putting both hands on opponent’s head, and then slamming the opponent’s face repeatedly into mat so they build a base?

Are there examples of legal moves where the full intent is to injure your opponent in order to get the opponent to release a hold? Askren was very clear - this head bounce move is to be executed by slamming the person’s head hard into the mat. Really hard. Askren emphasized this. The risk of injury (smashed nose / face; concussion) is what you are trying to instill on your opponent - this prompting them to release the elbow. Some ideas I expect will come up and we’re mentioned on FRL. Very hard head snap - there is downward pressure on head but not as much as with this bounce. Opponent hands are generally free. Has more opportunity to mitigate risk given hand position, strength of back, and distance to mat. So not as extreme a risk but worth debate. Lift and return to mat. Opponent needs to protect themself. But lifting wrestler also has duty to not slam. Specifically, they can’t drill opponent head into mat. Lifted wrestler has time to decide what to do. That first head bounce is very quick and hard to react that fast. Express goal of move is not to threaten injury.

Listening to Askren - says it is a well known move to bounce opponents face off mat from that position. Fair move. Whole purpose is to slam face into mat so that they release grip to protect head. What? It is a wrestling move to purposefully slam a head into the mat. That is the whole purpose of the move so that the other wrestler releases a grip? I say no. Hell no. If this logic works, then purposeful elbow to face should be just fine. Or knee to face. How about head butt to face. All involve purposefully slamming face with force. It is BS.

USA wrestling reporting Gable will be wrestling at the US Open. Wow. Pretty cool.

@jdowntown - good post. Not in agreement with all said but that is fine. Well thought through and we’ll said.

Sexualizing the athletes on the forum - seems like a step too far. @BobDole, @Husker_Du

Both things can be true - there are many many many people that have enjoyed Spencer Lee’s wrestling, consider him to be a good person, are fans, have cheered him, and recognize the pressure has felt. And — there are plenty of people that have written nasty and mean spirited posts, with the intent to make Spencer look bad, annoy his fan base, or to make themselves feel better. Intent isn’t very clear when it is read by the person being slammed.

Vak just gave you an example of a Lee hater post. The guy even started a thread on the board to get his anti-Lee jollies out there. And now you say that this is not a good enough example. LOL. The guy is clearly a hater.

Ok. I’ll satisfy you and bite. What rumor are you trying to start?

Do you consider yourself a good person? A deeply good and honorable person? No, didn’t think so.

My votes - all yes. On the step out …. I was hopeful that the increased likelihood of a stall call would help but refs have swallowed their whistles. However they do it, they still need to bang top wrestlers for driving bottom wrestlers out if they get to their feet. And yes pls on requiring a top wrestler to work for a turn / pin. Shocked that this was not a rule.

Seems like more ‘juniors’ and ‘seniors’ are approaching or are in their mid-20’s. Seems like an age for the Olympics. Miss the 2024 one and now into late 20’s. Doable but perhaps past peak? Guessing that perhaps more college wrestlers than usual will make a hard and focused push for the Olympic team as a result. Pure guess. Who? Vito - My money would say that we never see Vito in a Cornell singlet again. He was clear that the Olympics are his goal. NCAA championship was a milestone / check box. Winning a second likely pales in comparison to Olympics in his mind and if it in anyway interferes with freestyle training or causes injury, not worth the risk. Who else?

Horrific. I truly hope he is able to recover and lead a full healthy life —- with full use of his leg.

This was well done. Kudos.

When I interacted with SEALS is was struck by the variation in body type. No one size fits all approach. That said, no sumo / big bellies that I recall.

The senior world gold was right after last college season. Shows how freaking big his hammer was as a senior.

Burroughs not being on your lists = nonsense. World gold coming out of senior year and kept Dake and Taylor off the national team shortly after.

Gross Vs Vito could very well be a blurry tumbling knot for much of the bout. Several ‘what the hell was that’ moments. Would love to see it. And then see it in slow motion.

Seeing a social media post (obsessed wrestler) about a Ben Affleck and Matt Damon produced movie about Anthony Robles. Is this real? If so, pretty cool!! Will he play himself? Hard to find someone that can match him body and skill wise!!

Mine too. Ugh. There are too many people with rotten hearts / morals. Deep evil. Some may be ‘bad actors’ trying to ferment arguments and divisions. But I’m afraid plenty are ‘regular’ people who spew vile. Sad. Used to be that those people were basically isolated and could do little damage. Now, they have platforms and reach. Wish society would expect more from each other and hold each other more accountable.

Congrats to Mason Parris!! Well deserved honor! Looked outstanding this year. Fun to watch. Easy to cheer for. Hoping he can continue to get better and bring home some international hardware for the US !

That is your opinion. Thus I will not say you are wrong. But my opinion differs.

On finger ties - stalling, sure. What about broken fingers? I’ve seen many a wrestler shaking their hands, massaging their fingers, seemingly in pain. And a few times holding a dislocated / broken finger up.