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Don't forget the Collegiate Duals. When Midlands was king, Midlands was it. Now there are four tournaments to spread the talent across. And most of the talent wrestled in New Orleans. The Collegiate Duals has really siphoned off a lot of the talent. It had the #1, #4, #5, and #10 projected scoring teams at the NCAA. None of those teams followed up with Midlands, Scuffle or Salute in a meaningful way.

While I grant you that. The point is they are lurkers, not posters. There is no way they would ever answer your question. Which leaves you with my fellow warriors and our opinions. So, your surprise surprises me.

Come on. You ask a question of an audience that has no way of knowing the answer, but then are surprised when they offer their opinions instead?

Kind of my point. We did it once, it was three years ago, it was against guys who ultimately are not representing us internationally at the senior level (though I guess that is just Gillman right now), and a whole lotta water has passed under that bridge. There is great potential, but little information.

I am very curious about this. It has been so long since Lee wrestled freestyle what would it look like today? What will it look like in a year? Will his folkstyle turning skills work as well in freestyle at the senior level? His potentials is so enormous, but there are so many open questions.

Whatever happened to Trump running for President? I think he and I have held the same number of campaign events, and hired the same number of campaign managers.

Not quite accurate. Kevin McCarthy submitted 5 Republicans to serve on the committee. Pelosi rejected 2 of the 5 (the pride of the wrestling community, Jim Jordan and Jim Banks). McCarthy then pulled the other 3, saying it was all 5 or none. The strategy was to either get Jordan and Banks on the committee to do Jordan and Banks things, or refuse to participate so that you can claim partisanship.

Which is exactly what TBar would say.

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Up is down, black is white. We have multiple threads based on the complaint that no one wrestles anyone anymore. And now we have a thread about a wrestler upset he had to wrestle someone.

I just re-checked HR, where I first saw it, and their team of lip readers thought he said done.

Not unless Lee changes his mind. Apparently he said "I'm done" after the semi. I assume that refers to today only.

Which is a shame. The best chicken fingers in the world (you heard me) can be found in Schaumburg. Village Tavern & Grill

So they can eat in Schaumburg.

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I wonder how much the extra year(s) factors into some of these individual situations. RBY expected to be done by now, Diakomihalis and Lee figured to be done two years ago, but they are all still in college, and Starocci has said he won't wrestle the fifth year even though he would have a chance to do something unprecedented. I think the mental fatigue is real when you are still doing something you thought you would be done with long ago. I know of one wrestler who planned on only wrestling four years and was going to take a pass last year, but was talked into returning for year five. It looks like the opposite is true for Grant Willits. He has a year of eligibility left, and would have been the highest returning placer to what is considered a weak weight, but he took a pass.

Spencer Lee does have an outside shot at catching Logan Steiber for highest total points in the last 10 years. But, he needs needs his best tournament yet to catch him. He trails Stieber by 27.5 having scored 27, 24.5, and 24.5 in his three tournaments. If he has his average tournament (25.3 points) he will be in second on that list. All time Lee is seventh on the most points per tournament list behind Sanderson, Hodge, Gable Stieber, Wayne Martin, and Banach.

Carter and Lewis spent a lot of time in the consolation brackets so they got a lot of matches - 25 each.

Larry Bielenberg edges out Dan Hodge 22.5 to 22.

If I filter for anyone who finished their career in the past ten years and anyone who will finish their career this year (2011 - 2023), Spencer Lee ranks 11th in total bonus points. If he has an average year he will move up to fifth.

I decided to fold in the bonus point data so now I have total points projections using Intermat individual rankings: Top 25

I absolutely did. Just don't ask the grade.

And then find out they need to drive to Hoffman Estates.

This would make dual scoring much closer to tournament scoring. You could win a dual with just a few dominant wrestlers. Some may have a problem with that less for tradition reasons and more for "upsets are fun" reasons.