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And what does it even mean to take the biggest NIL number? I think these things probably have a headline number akin to a headline number for an NFL contract. But over time we have changed how we talk about NFL contracts to also include the amount that is actually guaranteed. My guess is these NIL deals are all headline and no guarantee when it comes to wrestlers.

I am bothered by the phrase renege on his commitment. All of these commitments are contingent in both directions. He can lose his scholarship, he can be recruited over, the coach can leave or be fired, and probably more scenarios that I can not think of. There is a long history of schools and coaches doing what is best for them, but not best for the individual athlete. Why should the athlete not consider what is best for him? Hell, this board has a field day when PSU recruits over an athlete. We even coined "getting Nevilled". It never ceases to amaze me that people are so bothered by symmetry. Or maybe it is change. I don't know.

Ah, that green-eyed monster.

The Smartmatic suit will be interesting. Are they interested in a settlement, or their day in court? They are privately held with some unkown percentage retained by their two founders. Is it personal for them (you called my baby ugly), or is it opportunistic (those fools at Fox messed up and now we get a pay day)? Dominion ultimately settled for a pay day. This seems to bother the late night talk show hosts who were upset that Fox was not forced to apologize or show any contrition. But that is naive. Dominion is 76% owned by private equity. My guess is Fox offered more money in exchange for not having to apologize. A pure financial owner could care less about the apology. The money IS the apology. And for Fox the lack of apology is probably worth the incremental expense given the current lawsuits in the pipeline. And if there are not already, there will be shareholder lawsuits to boot.

I am not sure what to think about 430 matches in 6 years. Almost 72 matches per year. Sure they ended fast so its not like it was a ton of minutes, but seems too much. What is normal for that age range (13-18?)?

@Ivan Stankowski Time for the Dieringer Addition Caveat: I am assuming all of Alex Dieringer's freshman year wins, pinfalls, and MD's were over D1 competition. That is not a good assumption. His sophomore through senior years he had 6 pinfalls, 1 TF, and 1 MD over non-D1 competition. I am not sure it would make a substantive difference though in the rate stats. It has the chance to change his win total, however. And since he leads by only one in that category, it could have an impact. Caveat 2: The Time and Rank stats above are for just his sophomore through senior seasons. And rankings:

That is the whole point. To get to where a billion doesn't matter.

FOXA is still +8.2% on the year while the broader market is +8.3%. The last two days return won't make or break them. I can do this forever.

FOXA was down 0.6% today while the broader market was down 1.6%. We have different definitions of diving.

One other thing I failed to explain is the rank stats. These are the average wrestlestat ranks of the opponents that each wrestler pinfell, TF'ed, and MD'ed. A lower average value means that the wrestler beat tougher competition, in the sense that WrestleStat has/had the competition ranked higher. For example, Spencer Lee pinned guys with an average rank of 50 while Kyle Snyder was pinning lower ranked competition. The good news is that no one can argue with WrestleStat rankings.

Spencer Lee hopscotches Bo Nickal, but it gets more so for Jason Nolf. What would you eliminate?

Thank you. TFs? Were all the losses decisions?

Wrestlingstats Okie State data is only through 2012. Dieringer was a freshman in 2013. WrestleStat starts in 2014. Sigh.

Ask and ye shall receive. The percentages are now: Percentage of all matches won by pinfall, Percentage of all matches not won by pinfall that were won by tech fall, Percentage of all matches not won by pinfall or tech fall that were won by major decision

*except for that time Captain America lost his mighty shield.

interesting

Oh that I could get his freshman stats. Wrestlingstats comes up one year short and WrestleStat starts one year too late. Any chance you have those or know where I can find them?

fight, fight, fight.

meh. someone who is dominant on top gets a lot of pinfalls and tech falls. Jason Nolf has more.

dipshiz, idiots, fools and know nothings.

also interesting that he is going 70kg.

Inspired by @Jamie_Taco on this Taco Tuesday (guess what I am having for dinner tonight?) I thought I would take a look at the 3xers in the WrestleStat era (2014 - present). That list includes J'Den Cox, Kyle Snyder, Zain Retherford, Jason Nolf, Bo Nickal, and Spencer Lee. Sorry Alex Dieringer. You had the misfortune of starting your college career one year before Greg Anderson started his wrestling statistical career. Editor's Note: Can I get an amen for WrestleStat? What an invaluable resource. Because I have to number everything to death, let's start with the numbers. I tried to use every part of the WrestleStat for this, partly because I could and partly because everyone has a favorite thing they like to argue for when arguing for their man. For some it is about counting stats, for others it is about rates, or dominance, or international achievements, or the eye test. Wins They say the greatest ability is availability. You have to be in it to win it. And a bunch of other clichés. But it is hard to argue with Zain Retherford's 123 wins (and 92 in a row). That said you can through a hat around four of the six with Jason Nolf at 115, and J'Den Cox / Bo Nickal at 120. J'Den Cox's 5 loses probably knocks him down a peg, but the difference is pretty small. Pinfalls (you heard me, @ionel) While Spencer Lee has a reputation for pinning, and pinning fast, the clear leader here is Jason Nolf. Not only does he have the most pinfalls, he has the highest percentage of pinfalls, with a whopping 51% of his matches ending with someone (not him) looking at the lights. Sure he took a minute longer on average than Spencer Lee, but I do not think that is the true headline stat here. I also think you have to ding Spencer for getting pinned twice whereas none of the other five suffered a similar fate. NCAA Points Again with Jason Nolf. Racking up 98 tournament points is pretty insane. Someone with the bonus point chops of Bo "HE HAS THE CHIN" Nickal could not keep pace. What hope does anyone else have? Hardware In footie, they say it is all about the hardware. How many trophies did you win? That is all that matters. Well, they each won three individual titles, so...push. But, Zain Retherford and Spencer Lee say they are having a hard time reading this post because all of the glare coming off of their two Hodge Trophies each. Bo Nickal is looking sheepishly at Jason Nolf wondering how his teammate has none. Hardware - part 2 J'Den Cox is laughing at me at this point. Hey, dummy, ever heard of the Olympics? Even if I had a Hodge it would just be a medal stand for my Olympic bronze. Hardware - part 3 Kyle Snyder says hold my beer. Editors Other Note: I am reminded of a cleaned up version of a joke I heard. Three guys enter a wrestling tournament. One wins his weight by coming from behind in every match to pinfall his opponent. One wins his weight by never giving up a single point, escape or otherwise. One wins his weight by TFing every opponent as he plays with his food. Who is the most outstanding wrestler? The one with the Olympic gold medal, of course. Tangible Intangibles Gentlemen, state your case. Spencer Lee - "I have negative one healthy knees." Kyle Snyder - "I effectively wrestled up a weight, give me a break with these soulless stats." J'Den Cox - "There was a good chance I would be dehydrated every match and slip in a pool of my own making." Bo Nickal - "I've got your Carver Curse right here." Jason Nolf - "I have to live every day with the shame of Kyle Todrank dancing on me. KYLE. TODRANK." Another way to look at things is to rank them against each other, a normalization of sorts. Summing things up this way assumes that all of this stuff matters (and only this stuff), and all of it matters equally. I think it is fair to say neither of those are accurate statements. So who ya got? For my money I rank them as follows: Kyle Snyder, Zain Retherford, Bo Nolf, Jason Nickal, J'Den Cox, Spencer Lee.

Could you guys restate your positions? I think I may have missed them.

Only you start a new thread when YOU already started a thread on the same topic. I wonder why you annoy people?

And sometimes people cynically see an opportunity to exploit fear and paranoia for profit. And sometimes they identify a target they think is small and inconsequential that they can exploit with their bully pulpit. And sometimes they go too far. And sometimes they get sued for their cynical actions and find themselves facing consequences. And sometimes they settle those lawsuits for 787.5 million reasons of their own. And sometimes their audience of fearful paranoids chooses to ignore all of this because the alternative, admitting they have been lied to for profit, is too painful to accept. Sometimes.