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Nitzel is in the portal. But he was listed as Tiger Style WC for U23. So maybe he entered the portal so if they got Hendrickson he could go someplace else. But Since they didn't, he will stay.

If Schwartz makes 133 I will be surprised. Also, Doesn't round of 12 Heindselman have one more year?

I hope it is a good "Atmosphere" and there was no "Shadowplay" going on in the recruiting (Sorry huge Joy Division fan)

@flyingcement don't mean to be a stickler but it is Southern Illinois University - Edwardsville so it is SIU-E not SIEU (or SIUE if you don't like hyphens). There is also Southern Illinois University - Carbondale and that is SIUC (or SIU-C if you are a big fan of hyphens).

I am a Mizzou fan so I hope he goes to Mizzou and Dom Bradley just beat him. But he would be able to work out with Dom and Zach (He is evidently sticking around for Rocky's Sr year). So I think he would have workout partners there. Also, There is a Air Force base close by.

Also, Missouri is close to his home state as well and essentially equidistant (30/45 minutes difference).

Hawks had two wins against top 10 opponents and Whiting's best win was against #31. I'm sure if Whiting beats Wolf in the dual. The spot is probably his. If you look at it logically it gave them a better chance of getting an at-large if needed. Cause there was 6 of the top 12 wrestlers in Big XII (Keckeisen, Plott, Berge, Wolf, Feldkamp,Hawks/Whiting) and only five allocations and five at-large bids. Hawks almost assured them of a spot at Nationals if they needed an at-large. Whiting probably would have. But It was not guaranteed As far as wrestle offs, I mean everyone of their matches were OT matches. We all know if you wrestle someone all the time. It is not really indicative of who the better wrestler is (Not saying which one is better). I am sad to see him in the portal. But at the end of the day. I am sure it was a tough choice for the coaching staff.

I just saw on Flo that Isaiah Powe of Chattanooga entered the portal. He was 25-4 this year as a true freshman and 1-2 at NCAA Losing to Mendez and Matthews. I was watching him first match and thinking "Yeah He might get a good deal if he enters the portal." We shall see. But I think he would be a good catch for whatever team he chooses (even back to Chattanooga)

I agree he is not a small 165 lbs. I also don't think Roller is going to go 133. They recruited him as a 149/157 lbs. I know he wrestled 138 lbs. this season. But I see him growing. I personally think the lineup will look like this (with no Portal help) 2024/2025 125- Surtin 133- Moore 141- Edmond 149- Seltzer/Pulliam/Gioffre 157- Conway/Gioffre 165- Steed 174- O'Toole 184- Hawks/Whiting 197-Elam 285-Nitzel 2025/2026 125-Mauger/Walker 133-Moore/Crapps/Mendoza 141- Edmond 149- Seltzer/Roller/McCallister 157-Rath 165-Conway 174-Steed 184-Whiting (Hawks could be here. But it will be his 6th year) 197- Sinclair 285-Nitzel/Stillwell

Going back to his hometown

You don't like any other option here? Cameron Steed is 24-7 in his two years and has beaten people like AA Hunter Garvin (by Major), National Qualifiers Cael Carlson, Will Formato, Legend Lamer, Nathan Lukez. His only loses are to Michael Caliendo, Izzak Oljenik, and Brock Mauller all by Dec. Now that being said. He seems to be a bit injury prone. 3 of his loses are injury default (to Wyatt Sheets, Logan Gioffre, and Vince Zerban). He seems to get injured in placing matches of tournaments (That is not even counting getting injured at U20 nationals last year). He was beating Zerban this year when he broke his hand.

So here is my question. If Cardenas and Fernandas are done with Ivy eligibility then how are Foca and Ramirez not. They all wrestled for Spartan Combatin 2020. Then they all are listed at Cornell in 2021 (Although Cornell didn't wrestle that year). Then all four of them have been in the Cornell lineup the last three years (2022,20223, 2024). So if Cardenas and Fernandes eligibility is done... So should Foca and Ramirez. Now they can transfer for graduate school and wrestle a year more. But I am not seeing how they still can wrestle for Cornell. Am I missing something?

If Foca and Cardenas are in there. Ramirez and Fernandes are not to far behind. They all entered Cornell the same year in 2020/2021. Which means they have used up their 4 years of Ivy League eligibility. Maybe all four are a package deal. If it Michigan it fits with 157- Saldante, 165- Ramirez, 174-Amine, 184-Foca, 197- Cardenas, 285- Fernandes

I personally think the Conference tournaments are antiquated and not a good way to be a national qualifier. I think what should happen is we are divided into 4 Regionals with the Top 8 come out (Wild Cards will be explained later). East, North, South, and West (once Bellermine, Tarleton State, and Morgan State join DI). So here is how you divide them (*= Swing team that could go different regionals if needed) East- (20 Teams) American*, Army, Binghampton, Brown, Bucknell, Columbia, Cornell, Drexel, Franklin & Marshall, Harvard, Hofstra, Maryland, Penn State, Penn, Princeton, Rider, Rutgers, Sacred Heart, Navy, South- (20 Teams)Appalchian State, Bellermine*, Campbell, Chattanooga, Davidson, Duke, Gardner-Webb, George Mason, Kent State, Morgan State, NC State, North Carolina, Ohio, Ohio State, Presbyterian, The Citadel, Virginia, Virginia Military, Virginia Tech, West Virginia North- (19 Teams) Bloomsburg, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Clarion, Cleveland State, Edinboro, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Lock Haven, Michigan, Michigan State, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Purdue, SIU-Edwardsville*, Wisconsin West- (20 Teams) Air Force, Arizona State, Cal Baptist, Cal Poly, CSU-Bakersfield, Iowa State, Little Rock, Missouri, Minnesota*, Nebraska, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, South Dakota State, Stanford, Traleton State, Utah Valley, Wyoming You might be saying.. "Wow that West regional looks much tougher than the rest overall" and you would be correct. So to stop one regional being exponentially harder than the other. There is one of two ways to do this. A) Take the top 16 teams from the previous years NCAA and divide them up with either the highest placing team going to their regional or next available regional. So, Now it would look like this. I like this way because every team knows where they are going before the season and plan accordingly. Also, The Regionals are held in major cities in the areas. East- Philly, New York, Baltimore, South- Atlanta, Nashville, Charlotte, North- Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland West: KC, Denver, Tulsa East- (20 Teams) #1 Penn State, #8 Nebraska, #9 Virginia Tech, #16 Wisconsin, Army, Binghampton, Brown, Bucknell, Columbia, Drexel, Franklin & Marshall, Harvard, Hofstra, Maryland, Navy, Penn, Rider, Rutgers, Sacred Heart South- (20 Teams)#4 Ohio State, #5 Missouri, #12 North Carolina,, #13 Princeton, Appalchian State, Bellermine, Campbell, Chattanooga, Davidson, Duke, Gardner-Webb, George Mason, Morgan State, Ohio, Presbyterian, The Citadel, Virginia, Virginia Military, West Virginia, American (Moves from East to make it 20) North- (20 Teams) #2 Iowa, #7 Arizona State, #10 NC State, #15 Minnesota, Bloomsburg, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Clarion, Cleveland State, Edinboro, Illinois, Indiana, Lock Haven, Michigan, Michigan State, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Purdue, SIU-Edwardsville, Kent State (Moves from south to make it 20) West- (19 Teams) #3 Cornell, #6 Michigan, #11 Iowa State, #14 South Dakota State, Air Force, Cal Baptist, Cal Poly, CSU-Bakersfield, Little Rock, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Stanford, Traleton State, Utah Valley, Wyoming, Northern Iowa (Moves here to make it 19) B) A Dual meet Nationals in Feb. Where the conference champions and some Wild cards meet. This is over two weeks. Conference Champions (EIWA, IVY, ACC, Big XII North, Big XII South, SOCON, Big 10 North, Big 10 South, MAC) Host two other teams of conference 2nd placers and Wild Cards. and each team does two dual meets. and the top two come out and go to National Duals. Then at duals they wrestle to 16th (4 matches per team over a 2 or 3 day period). Then you divide the teams up. Using This years nationals as national dual placing: East: #1 Penn State, # 8 Ohio State, #9 Nebraska, #16 Stanford South: #2 Cornell, #7 Virginia Tech, #10 Oklahoma State, #15 Lehigh North: #3 Michigan, #6 Arizona State, #11 Missouri, Northern Iowa West: #4 Iowa State, #5 Iowa, #12 NC State, #13 South Dakota State There is more to model B. As to Conference Dual January. Also all your tournaments and non conference duals are done in Nov/Dec. West is still a bit tougher, But not 6 of the top 16 team tougher. So then the top 8 qualify for Nationals (True 8th Place matches if needed) Then whomever places 9th has a 4 man bracket to see who is the 33rd man in the bracket the Wednesday before nationals. Whomever wins gets the 33rd seed (well sort of) and then you have your 1st, 2nd, 3rd alternates. Now as far as seeding. There is no more seeding per say. You only seed the Regional Champions. For instance if we go by this year at 125 (and the champions are done by the highest seed at nationals just to take opinions out of the mix and using model A) East: Brendan Davis, Penn State, North: Drake Ayala, Iowa, South: Noah Surtin, Missouri (He would have been the highest seeded wrestler from the Regional), West: Jore Volk, Wyoming. So the seeding would have gone 1. Ayala 2. Davis, 3. Surtin, 4. Volk Remember Ayala Beat Davis in the dual and Surtin beat Volk in the dual. The 33rd entry would have probably been say Diego Sotelo of Harvard and he would have wrestled Tanner Jordan to then take on Ayala. one side of the bracket would have had Ayala, Volk, Richie Figs, Unger, Stanich, Barnett, Poulin The other Side would have: Surtin, Davis, Smith, Barnett, Ramos, Camacho, Spratley, Camacho, Provo So say Ayala and Figs are in the same regional and Ayala beats Figs in the finals they are on the opposite side of the bracket. They have no chance of meeting till the finals. I think this is more fair. Opinions?

Whoops, I knew I was forgetting a couple. My Bad. So Big XII Then Arizona State, Iowa State, Little Rock, Missouri, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Northern Iowa, South Dakota State, & West Virginia I personally would love if the Big XII for wrestling would just invite all of the Pac 12. So then in a few years it would be (when Tarleton Joins): Air Force, Arizona State, Cal Baptist, Cal Poly, CSU-Bakersfield, Iowa State, Little Rock, Missouri, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Northern Iowa, South Dakota State, Tarleton State, Utah Valley, West Virginia, & Wyoming. That would be almost half (9) of the Top 20 teams from the past NCAA's. That would be 81 Preallocated Spots for Nationals this year. 125- 8, 133- 9, 141- 7, 149- 9, 157- 9, 165- 8, 174- 8, 184- 6, 197- 9, 285- 8 Plus the addition of At-Large Selections: 125- 3, 133- 2, 141- 1, 149- 1, 157- 2, 165- 0, 174- 1, 184- 2, 197 -1, 285- 1 for a total of 95 Qualifiers. The Big 10 had 96 Qualifiers this year. So if that would happen Almost 58% of the qualifiers would be from those two conferences. 27 All-Americans would come from the new Big XII 30 All-Americans came from the Big 10. So 71.25% of the All-Americans would come from those two conferences.