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Sports fans are generally all about the won-lost column, and this especially describes wrestling and its fans, where after a handful of minutes of competition a winner - and a loser - is declared. The success and/or failure of an athlete is very black-and-white in our sport. With the arrival of NIL and the ability of a mere handful of teams to compete for the raw talent in that market, the pools of premiere talent will congregate in a very few schools (we already are seeing it). This concentration of talent will lead to a competitive imbalance, i.e., the strong teams will increase the distance between themselves and the weaker teams (whose numbers will far out-number the teams with money and talent) will fall away and fan-interest will wither and dissipate. In time, you will literally only have a handful of powerful, sustainable teams who will only have each other to compete against - a small cluster of maybe five to ten teams who nobody else other than their own respective fan-bases care about. There won't be enough teams against which to compete in order to have a "season." I can't think of any other sports model where this is sustainable. This concentration of money and talent will surely kill our sport as part of the collegiate experience; it will be lucky to continue even as a club sport because it is such a grueling experience for the wrestlers themselves. The club version used by the rest of the world may be the only sustainable version, but that is a significantly foreign model for Americans to swallow as much of our sporting system has been integrally tied to our educational system. Sadly, I think we are in the midst of the end of our folk style sport as we have known it for the past century.

Okay - let's get this part right. Jordan graduated from the University of WISCONSIN in 1986 where he was a two time national champ. He later picked up a law degree at tOSU. You guys make me doubt that you know anything about what you are saying.

You are the only one saying that I only lost by pins - no one else said that. I said I learned to never quit while there was still time on the clock. Obvious that you aren't reading what is posted and writing your own narrative so you really don't need anyone responding to you - so I'm out - go for it.

Please reread the post. I think you are just being deliberately dense now. What was said was that one of the most poignant learning moments from my wrestling career was that I never quit trying - no matter the score. I have lost many times by a variety of scores - but that has nothing to do with the post that was made.

I understand that you didn't say that no one ever comes back near the end of a match, but you also said that when the "writing is on the wall" wrestlers at the highest levels are more likely to simply accept the beating and get off the mat ASAP...and that's the part I have trouble with. I don't really know if that's a true assessment of the competitive nature at that level (and I did indeed wrestle in college) but even more, I hope like heck it isn't accurate. I count among the many valuable lessons I learned from the years competing is that a person should never quit when there is still "time on the clock." I buy into the value of believing "It ain't over till its over" and it colors all aspects of my life. So, to think the many greats of our sport think otherwise on this point "ruffles" me a bit and I resist accepting your premise.

Tell that to Rob Rohn

After watching a few of Gable's matches here (and note that I am in my 60s) I find it hard to reconcile my memories of him with the fact that he is a far older man now - his legend always precedes him in my mind. He was a force of nature during his time.

Doesn't the wrestle-off system allow for the postponement of matches if one of the participants is injured? I think one of the women's matches was postponed for that very reason and will be wrestled at a later point in time. Am I missing something?

I would agree, it simply is time to take the next step, whatever that might be.

Yes, the cupboard does indeed look pretty bare at the moment, but also remember that the Badgers are are only two seasons removed from a 12-2 campaign, so I wouldn't report the program's demise just quite yet.

Here's the box summary: 125: Eric Barnett (WIS) over Kyle Gollhofer (UNI) (Fall 0:30) | 6-0 133: Taylor Lamont (WIS) over Kyle Biscoglia (UNI) (SV-1 3-1) | 9-0 141: Cael Happel (UNI) over Joseph Zargo (WIS) (Fall 3:25) | 9-6 149: Adam Allard (UNI) over Felix Lettini (WIS) (Dec 7-3) | 9-9 157: Garrett Model (WIS) over Derek Holschlag (UNI) (Dec 5-2) | 12-9 165: Dean Hamiti (WIS) over Austin Yant (UNI) (MD 13-2) | 16-9 174: Lance Runyon (UNI) over Josh Otto (WIS) (Dec 6-2) | 16-12 184: Parker Keckeisen (UNI) over Drew Scharenbrock (WIS) (TF 22-6 6:37) | 16-17 197: Braxton Amos (WIS) over Noah Glaser (UNI) (MD 10-2) | 20-17 285: Trent Hillger (WIS) over Tyrell Gordon (UNI) (Dec 2-1) | 23-17

Hells' Bells, flyingcement, I thought you had posted the actual results of the meet. So the meet is currently going on? I live in a pumpkin

Thank you.

Anybody willing to post final results on this meet?

Burwick and Lamont this weekend - let's start a new thread!