ThreePointTakedown

Great question. One option, offer people a minimum wage (other industries use the minimum wage too) high enough to afford the rising cost of living. Another, enact measures to control the cost of living and keep it reasonable for the poorest or for everyone so we don't feel the 'reverse racist-ed' of having a roof over our heads. A thought experiment, if these are the only options, which would you prefer? (don't say, 'neither' just to not answer. Its a hypothetical, you're not committing to anything) Are there other options and what are or could they be?

Thanks for your feedback. My answers in Blue! Do you think people that work for minimum wage don't work hard? Did I say that...no...why is it always about making someone a victim? You brought up ‘victims’. So you agree they do work hard. So why say it because they already do? Or do not take responsibility for their situation? Again, did I say that...no. Teaching people to work hard and self-responsibility is what the focus should be. Not overinflating minimum wage for industries and jobs that were never meant to be a career choice and the only way to make a living. This is a bigger conversation around how businesses are run and the economics around it. Agreed, but why shouldn’t/couldn’t this be a career choice? Can a worker not become an owner? It might be that conversations like this and opinions like this are things that paint an unrealistic picture of fast food work. That some think lesser of the work and in so create a cultural bias towards the job and those that seek it. They are thought of as lesser so it doesn’t hurt to much to keep them from making a decent living earning enough to get out of the untouchable occupation. Also, that you make a general statement to start this conversation then say, ‘its part of a bigger conversation’ hinting that there is nuance to these situations and probably shouldn’t be painted with such a broad brush. Can you still struggle to survive while having the ideal qualities that others might use to make leaps forward in their earning trajectory? Have no idea what you are asking here. I merely think society should focus on building good work ethics and self-responsibility in our youths...not overinflating wages for certain jobs and hence overinflating prices. What I am saying is that if a person has a good work ethic but cannot get above the poverty line for one reason or another are they less deserving of assistance? Its not an either or kind of thing. One doesn’t necessarily lead to the other. Companies have engaged in price gouging. Driving up prices while it was needed for production then keeping them high to squeeze more profits while inflation has dropped. Is that practice ethical, moral, or worthy of celebration? Does that make them less deserving of help to make their situation better? Again, quit trying to make someone a victim. Please explain how my question frames it that way? If someone at the age of 18 finds themselves on their own, should a minimum wage job likely one of few they qualify for, offer enough money so as to not need other government assistance? Depends on the job. Fast food should not have a $20/hr minimum wage. If someone is unfortunate enough to not be able to qualify for a higher level and paying job, then that is a whole other conversation. So, ‘I don’t feel fast food deserves $20/hour(Fast food should not have a $20/hr minimum wage.)’ By your metric, these people are less than and therefore do not deserve enough money to allow them a life they can enjoy. Took a while to get here but glad we finally did. You have no good reason you just don’t like them. Glad someone finally said it out loud. Free money? Is it 'free money' if billionaires use tax shelters to keep money that should otherwise be paid in taxes? And do you have the same opinion that something is 'fixed' by them holding on to it? Here's a secrete....there is no such thing as free money no matter how bad you want to make billionaires out to be the boogeyman. Your third question, again I have no idea what they heck you are saying and asking. You just don’t want to give help to people you feel are beneath you? Billionaires are, mistakenly, celebrated and admired in our culture so its fine if they get handouts. That is a pretty sick way of thinking. But not unsurprising. Thank for attempting to answer my questions. Its been enlightening.

Thanks. A book that received the Alex Award for books meant for 12 to 18 year old readers. Probably not appropriate for 5th graders across the board. Some parents might be ok with it though. At a school library for 6th grade and up, should be fine. So at a neighborhood public library, sure. Again, have the conversations with your kids. But let me just reiterate. No one has put forth any evidence that this book has appeared anywhere inappropriate. If you don't like the book and would rather it not be in your child's 5th grade library. I can understand that. If that library also serves 6th graders and up, then you might be out of luck. You should contact the school to see about restricting this material from being checked out. If not, talk to your kids about material that is appropriate. But understand that they will become curious about this stuff eventually. Its a sad day when they grow up. Even just a little bit. But it is how things are meant to work. Don't punish other people because you can't deal with it.

Outrage is the reason. Blame and being the victim while not outwardly saying they are a victim, because their side is not the ones that are snowflake victims.

Do you think people that work for minimum wage don't work hard? Or do not take responsibility for their situation? Can you still struggle to survive while having the ideal qualities that others might use to make leaps forward in their earning trajectory? Does that make them less deserving of help to make their situation better? If someone at the age of 18 finds themselves on their own, should a minimum wage job likely one of few they qualify for, offer enough money so as to not need other government assistance? Free money? Is it 'free money' if billionaires use tax shelters to keep money that should otherwise be paid in taxes? And do you have the same opinion that something is 'fixed' by them holding on to it?

Good luck!

If you can quote me using the word blame or implying it, I'll concede. And yes, your system is not justice and it does not take nuance into account. Again its a blanket statement that you use to make yourself feel better for not liking or helping certain people for certain reasons that you don't want to say out loud.

Deflection. Try again. If you could restate my point I'll actually take this comment seriously. But you can't/won't so no chance of that.

Any evidence that grooming in these situations is happening as much or more than in the Catholic Church and I'll be shocked. I'd imagine, one of them you really care about getting to the bottom of. The other, less so. Which might effect more people?

Emotional outburst aside. I don't care about last summer. Maybe this is the wrong format for you to make your case if getting booted is a possibility. I've SEEN a person try to offer up bad evidence, have been SHOWN nothing, and yes I still don't believe. That shouldn't be shocking to you. Is evidence of things unseen in your wheelhouse? Cuz that's not gonna do much for me either, fyi. You mentioned BJ but did not include a title. Makes it seem like you heard it from someone but did not see it for yourself. I am not going to go back through posts from last year to find this when you could just type the Title of the book. Then you need to confirm that it is or has been in a library that 5th graders have access to. I'm not just going to believe you. Nor should you want me to, if you are serious about it. Sorry that I'm making harder for you to prove your point. But you're not doing a great job. I'm trying to confirm that what you say is true and that it should be taken seriously.

Terrible thing to say with no evidence. Old hat for you tho. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. My name is TPTD, you are a liar, prepare to cry.

Fair point. But since you have not provided evidence that that is actually happening. I will go ahead and not believe that what you are saying is true, given the current amount of evidence. If you wish at some point in the future to provide more/better evidence I might be brought to your side. As it stands I am not. Have you seen these things with your own eyes or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Because, you know people lie. They lie all the time. Lie about big things and small things. They lie to try to make you think they are better/smarter or more moral than they really are. That's a big one. 'Do as I say, not as I do' is big for people trying to convince you something is immoral. Funny that your name is what it is.

Not sure what point you are trying to make? Was the earlier comment, your attempt at providing evidence for you point? If so, how is it suppose to help make your point, because I'm not seeing it?

Titles? what kind of stuff shows up in a 5th grade library that is controversial? Are you uncomfortable with a 5th grader learning about the two moms or two dads that at class mate has? Or two penguins that decide to spend their lives together, that happen to have the same anatomy? That hat the cat wears is trying to send a message and I'm reading it loud and clear! Thing 1 and Thing 2? I suspect some shenanigans are afoot. What is the red fish doing with the blue fish behind closed doors? That's what I want to know!

Anyone see it on Columbia athletics site?

So, no?

Which books? What examples of material are we talking about? and do they actually show up in a 5th graders library?

Offended and age-appropriate are not the same things. Purity culture, religious nut jobs that refuse to teach their children about sex until they are of the age of marriage(which in some cases is WELL below the age of 18, we can discuss what 'well below' means, but by your logic even one day is too far) would be offended by kissing or holding hands or any of a bunch of mundane things that many other people wouldn't even blink at. Lack of education and exposure to knowledge are just a few of the reasons we are having this conversation. Ignorance begets ignorance.

Ok. Last comment on this. My name would suggest that a take down is worth three points. Whatever else you read into is your implicit bias. You should look that up because its effecting much more than you realize. Second. It seems as if you are under the impression that PA is not something I can appreciate as a desirable characteristic. That is wrong. My disagreement began when it seemed that you were trying to determine if people in need had used PA enough or to your satisfaction before their need for help was even taken into account. If you believe that the slightest bit of PA would qualify someone to receive much needed aid then I'm on your side. If you are in favor of holding back assistance until someone reaches your predetermined threshold of PA before allowing someone to get aid, then we have a problem. Maybe this was all just a... misunderstanding.

I am unconvinced. Do you have evidence of this happening?

Not backing up your claim then hiding your cowardice behind anonymity. Sweet sweet anonymity. By all means, carry on.

Care to offer a rebuttal?

Not necessarily all minors. Where and how do we draw the line?

Conversations. Good, better, best is always something we should strive for even if others seem to be better at it. Thinking above all. Can't get very far if you don't do that well. I would like to help influence as many people towards my, perceived, better way of approaching things, because I think it could do some good. If its not better then I'd like to know what is.

They are my opinions. They can stand or fall on their own. That you need them to come from a 'successful' participant tells me more than I need to know about how you form your opinions.