ThreePointTakedown

A 'power-hungry bureaucrat in the Education Department'? Please, can we all stop doing this? As a community, can we be a little more skeptical and a little less interested in raising the level of ire for the sake of attention. There is no evidence of anything other than someone following up on a tip or evidence of wrong doing and finding wrong doing. Before you try to paint someone as an enemy try to do a little digging yourself. It seems as though you are trying to paint the entire Education Department with the same, ill informed brush. The whole 'just asking questions' thing is crap, it has always been crap, and always will be crap. Stop being lazy. Either do your homework or just say, 'I don't have enough information to take a stance one way or the other'. Which is probably a lot of things. And that's ok. If anyone gets mad at you for not having enough information to have an opinion, you don't want those kinds of friends anyway, or they're just a troll and they can back under their bridge. But that isn't bad. No one expects you to have all the answers, but if you're posing answers for the sake of attention then your the Kardashians and you're doing more harm than good. The Education Department under the current administration has helped relieve certain borrowers of a lot of their student debt. Helped to curb predatory practices by for-profit schools that have been less than honest about the potential earnings or job placement prospects of their graduates.

It would send the message they are serious about this stuff, which they should be. So yes, perhaps they should be. If it rises to the level of being too much for the institution to accept. Then yes. Does that mean T&T and K-Dress will probably get more slack than anyone else would, sure. But that's for Iowa and IState to deal with later. Sets a bad precedent in my opinion. Seems as they are unable or unwilling to police their teams adequately to have prevented this. Begs the question, what's the next thing that will go undetected until too late? But sports organizations have always been very forthcoming with regards to transparency while in the midst of an ethical or legal crisis. So I'm sure we've heard that last of this. Ferentz for different reasons. His team is boring.

Now we're talking about apples and oranges. The first few weeks of the school year are dedicated to getting back into shape, getting caught up on rule changes, and compliance meetings. Gambling is addressed. Do's and Don't's are listed and hammered home. As well as repercussions. Which can have direct impact on eligibility. Do they have influence on the outcome of a contest? Perhaps. More so then anyone else on the street. They could at the very least have information about an athlete or athletes that could benefit them in making wagers. We don't allow insider trading in this country. Nor should we. I would say, in my experience, that the wrestling community leans a little bit to the conservative side. I could be wrong. With that being said, why are we not having the conversation of gate-way-this-or-that that conservative people love to pretend is the tip of the evil iceberg? There has been large and ongoing conversation of student debt and whether college is worth the cost. I read about how much they wagered. Did they win? Did they ALL win? Were they all in the Black? If no, is that the kind of debt we're ok allowing a college kid to accrue? If they were all in the positive, isn't that a little suspicious? Are we sure that everything was done above board regardless of whether gambling is legal. How is it that its ok for kids to gamble on sporting events while in college while on a college team? Like at all? Never mind that it might be legal? T&T, if they still have the pull in the locker room, says, "No online gambling, it isn't a good look. Do it and you're done!" If someone doesn't want to go along with it. Let someone else deal with them. Drinking underage is not an NCAA violation. Still makes the staff look bad and could lead to disciplinary action, same as other non-athletic or academic issues can. If a pattern develops because you lose control of your team, on or off the mat, what good are you as a steward of the program?

Seriously? How can someone be held accountable for the actions of those they are suppose to be leading? Inconceivable! Granted, one was the mastermind and one was just blissfully ignorant. But N'w just went through quite the broohaha about a similar situation, posing the same excuse. Would you be happy with the same outcome?(I doubt they'd let Terry stay on to steer the ship) Now you're going to say, but the things THAT coach was unaware of were WAY worse than what the Brandss were unaware of. My question would be, does it matter? You'll say, yes and proceed to split the tiniest of hairs to rationalize your side. But they are the same underlying issue. Members of the team or the staff or both went rogue and proceeded to give the program a black eye(not the good kind). They've lost some bit of respect and authority from members of the team, that could allow this to happen. Punishments and pink slips should be handed out. House should be cleaned. Pantry should be restocked!

For all his benefits to the sport in his day, which is not nothing, Seay was not good for the sport in the long run. His 'ends-justify-the-means' approach(which is what it seems like) is entirely untenable and not beneficial for the health of the sport. He couldn't have the success he had by staying within the rules, tough! Work to change the rules or just admit you can't do it without breaking the rules. Sounds like classic confidence-man tactics. Preying on kids and their families in an age before the internet and wide spread or easily attainable information. When things crashed down around him he cried foul on the authorities. Who, in recent years, does that remind you of? This is a criminal being upset at the police for getting caught. Talk about victim-mentality. Keep in mind he was doing all of this while being responsible for kids 18-22 years old. Telling them that it is ok to bend or outright break rules if you can justify it by winning. How is that ok? Brandss are in the thick of that right now. JRob. Keep your house clean or you will no longer be asked to be in charge of it. Coaching is a privilege and an important responsibility. Stop venerating these past figures as if they are above reproach. They were are flawed people. Lets talk about them like that. Did they do good things? Sure. Could they have been better? Definitely. Will it hold us back as a community if we try to hang on to these people as ones to be emulate? Quite possibly.

Its called, taking your ball and going home. This will completely upend the federal government and quite possibly destroy the economy if it actually happens. Which it won't. They don't like regulation so they try to scuttle the organization(s) put in charge of doing it and for reasons no more altruistic than profit. As we have learned over and over, banks can't be trusted to regulate themselves, oil companies can't be trusted to regulate themselves, just about every industry has an instance(usually not small, insignificant, or isolated) that says in large, friendly letters WITH. NO. OVERSIGHT. COMES. NO. RESPONSIBILITY! I love non-wrestling related topics but ya, you should probably bring this up somewhere else.

Sorry, you're right again. It was 17 years between Heizer and 2021. My bad.

Not wrong. Need to do better building with what you have. Grassroots!

Don't know much about the current guy but Grant had a reputation for running, literally and figuratively, guys off the team. If it is the case, maybe that's where he picked it up.

My mistake. Good job O. The other guy doesn't count, could've been NIU holding him back for whatever reason. And 15 years between AA's. Not impressive. Not top tier talent coming to Dekalb but a roster of 40ish should produce a few gems at least every half decade. Getting the leftover talent from Illinois and surrounding states. Even CMU has gotten a few AA's, UNI, App State, Edinboro, Clarion, Rider, similar situations. Get some more guys to day 3. A free trip to nationals to stay out late friday night is not the goal.

Maybe not officially fired, but resigned! There have been a few that I can think of. What happened at Stanford was quite a mess but pretty much a 'thanks-but-no-thanks' Penrith at UNI Brown coach recently Tirapelle at Penn Z at OSU and Iowa OU this year Pariano at N'w. UM, was more of a retirement but had to lose both assistants not long before due to, I'm guessing, poor performance UWV, that was an abrasive departure Moore from AU Navy prior to Kolat those are as many as I can recall. Not many official firings to be sure, but a rose by any other name.... Did I miss any?

With the carousel slowing to a crawl and the season starting soon. Who needs to have a breakout year to keep from getting the boot? Minnesota: Out of the top ten for two years in a row. Gable most likely not returning. NIU: Probably safe because expectations aren't very high. But why not? Lets get someone in there that can make some progress. Get someone on the podium. Would hate to see them go the way of Eastern Illinois. IU: Year six for Angel, does he have some pressure to break into the single digits in the Big Ten or get someone through to day 3? Last AA a decade ago(based on the media guide) MSU: Considering who he replaced and how, not expecting much here. Sad. Duke: any pressure here at all? Probably not. Hofstra: thoughts? who did I miss?

Antonelli?

Should the (insert sports/ball team here) "Rivalry" game be phased out? Sure the fans tend to try to make it to games that have big implications. But some of these rivalries get pretty heated off the field/court/mat and can lead to real violence over a game. Or other collateral damage the trees at Auburn being poisoned, who benefits from that? Granted sports is a money driven venture but culturally, should we be encouraging this kind of tribal-ism?

Anything to get him out of Rutgers.

You don't think he goes with? If not, does Gray?

What is the timeline look like for the HC announcement? Who's the smart money on to take over?

It took him a good long while to get his system working in Ithaca: convince kids from fairly wealthy families to take a grey year to train hard at a school that doesn't, otherwise, red shirt. He got that working pretty well and had a good amount of success. Probably, looking to do it at a place where kids wouldn't mind spending a year at Menlo Community College before being admitted to Stanford as a transfer with 5 years to train. Might be easier and have a larger, more talented pool, to pull from at UNC.

List of possible Stanford successor(and my reasoning): Gavin(Pitt), HC experience, Pitt is a fairly academic-heavy school. Similar recruiting pool. Princeton staff(some or all), similar recruiting pool and recent team success. Storniolo(NW), HC and recruiting experience, similar school academic profile and recruiting pool Nickerson(UNC-West), HC experience and recent success, Ivy League pedigree Derek Moore(Cal-Bap), National Champ from Cali, hard to deny he might have some heft. Matt Gentry(UofC), National Champ and Alumnus, Recently got back into coaching at U of Chicago. Didn't know the HC is named after him, that could be awkward. But Penn did it, so there is precedent. Engel(OSU-West), Associate HC, previous staff member, wasn't sullied by the mass program drop SNAFU and the dirty politics that ensued(but if I were him it'd be hard to go back, knowing how the staff was treated) Paulson(UVA) x2: Associate HC and Assistant, could make for an interesting combo in Palo Alto. Santoro(Lehigh): We saw Koll make the move, greater than 0 chance, I feel. Dillon(Lehigh): Finally gets a chance to steer the ship. Lehigh is not at the level of Stanford academics or standards, but not too too far. Team hasn't had a ton of success lately, might be a stretch. Who did I miss?

Texas A&M had wrestling?

Go pro. Didn't Weinke play pro ball at something then come back to the foozball?

Until the Inflicts(all black with gold swoosh) came around, Nikes weren't anything to write home about. Now, early gens go for hundreds. Wish I held on to a pair.

That's a tricky balancing act. How to reward loyalty and encourage expansion? I don't envy that math, but we can't be THAT petty.

The B1G just added UCLA and USC so LA wouldn't be a bad place to start the influence campaign to nudge schools into (re)starting a wrestling program.

I missed that one. Good catch.