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15 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

"They are not sending their best.  They are drug dealers.  They are rapists." 
Literally his platform.

Yes he said that.   Is there any proof this is not going on?  With the amount of drugs coming over the border I'd say he was correct on that one.   Not everyone is a drug runner.   But enough are getting through to make a real issue. 

https://www.judicialwatch.org/in-2019-over-90-of-illegal-aliens-arrested-in-u-s-had-criminal-convictions-pending-charges/

More than 90% of illegal immigrants arrested by federal agents in the United States last year had criminal convictions or pending criminal charges, including 56,000 assaults and thousands of sex crimes, robberies, homicides and kidnappings. Many had “extensive criminal histories with multiple convictions,” according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) year-end report. The 123,128 illegal aliens arrested by the agency’s Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) in 2019 had 489,063 criminal convictions and pending charges, representing an average of four crimes per alien, highlighting the “recidivist nature” of the arrested aliens, the agency writes, noting that sanctuary cities nationwide greatly impeded its public safety efforts.

So it would seem that he was correct on the second one.   Not everyone is a rapist.   But enough get through that it is an issue.   Should there be more or less scrutiny of the people coming into our country to live?   That is the basis of our coded immigration policy that is being ignored. 

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3 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

Do you know, or even care to know,  how drugs are smuggled into the US?

The border is a political tool by the fascist right.  The real humanitarian crisis is and always has been in the countries these people are fleeing. If you actually cared, you would demand we give asylum.

I do know. It's multi Faceted. I've been to the border and know border patrol agents  No reasonable person thinks what is happening there is reasonable. It is pure evil what this administration is turning their backs on. 

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10 hours ago, mspart said:

Yes he said that.   Is there any proof this is not going on?  With the amount of drugs coming over the border I'd say he was correct on that one.   Not everyone is a drug runner.   But enough are getting through to make a real issue. 

https://www.judicialwatch.org/in-2019-over-90-of-illegal-aliens-arrested-in-u-s-had-criminal-convictions-pending-charges/

More than 90% of illegal immigrants arrested by federal agents in the United States last year had criminal convictions or pending criminal charges, including 56,000 assaults and thousands of sex crimes, robberies, homicides and kidnappings. Many had “extensive criminal histories with multiple convictions,” according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) year-end report. The 123,128 illegal aliens arrested by the agency’s Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) in 2019 had 489,063 criminal convictions and pending charges, representing an average of four crimes per alien, highlighting the “recidivist nature” of the arrested aliens, the agency writes, noting that sanctuary cities nationwide greatly impeded its public safety efforts.

So it would seem that he was correct on the second one.   Not everyone is a rapist.   But enough get through that it is an issue.   Should there be more or less scrutiny of the people coming into our country to live?   That is the basis of our coded immigration policy that is being ignored. 

mspart

What a crazy article from a highly disreputable source.   Of course people who are arrested have charges pending!  Immigrants - undocumented and otherwise - have lower crime rates than citizens in the US.

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Somebody is about to be in the poop.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/24/politics/trump-classified-documents-maralago-eluded-fbi/index.html

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Investigators working for special counsel Jack Smith in recent weeks have interviewed a Trump aide who copied classified materials found in the box using her phone to put them onto a laptop. After a voluntary interview with the aide, prosecutors subpoenaed the password to the laptop, which she provided, according to one of the sources.

Unbelievable.

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I've already stated I'm not ok with this.   No president upon leaving office should have classified documents.   No VP or senator upon leaving office should have classified documents.  

I think I have been clear on this.   

What I disagree with is the way FBI chose to get the documents from ex-president Trump.   They had on going discussions about the documents, Trump complied with FBI requests.    In fact, the FBI knew where to go immediately to get them at Mara Lago because they had been in communication.    The warrant was a stunt and not necessary.   No ex president has ever been subjected to that before, hence the communications that were on going.    And the pictures of scattered papers was beyond ridiculous.   Obviously that didn't happen to Biden's garage.  No pics extant.  If the documents were SO classified, FBI would not have spread them out and take pictures and provide to the media.   All a stunt.   

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7 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Just as stupid as storing classified documents in a garage with a Corvette. Or Swalwell sleeping with a Chinese spy. Or a Chinese spy Driving Miss Daisy Feinstein. Both parties are loaded with corrupt and/or stupid people.

Is anyone here concerned about these examples?  

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1 hour ago, mspart said:

I've already stated I'm not ok with this.   No president upon leaving office should have classified documents.   No VP or senator upon leaving office should have classified documents.  

I think I have been clear on this.   

What I disagree with is the way FBI chose to get the documents from ex-president Trump.   They had on going discussions about the documents, Trump complied with FBI requests.    In fact, the FBI knew where to go immediately to get them at Mara Lago because they had been in communication.    The warrant was a stunt and not necessary.   No ex president has ever been subjected to that before, hence the communications that were on going.    And the pictures of scattered papers was beyond ridiculous.   Obviously that didn't happen to Biden's garage.  No pics extant.  If the documents were SO classified, FBI would not have spread them out and take pictures and provide to the media.   All a stunt.   

mspart

 

Trump did not, in fact, comply with the requests.
That's what this is all about.

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https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/timeline-of-fbi-investigation-of-trumps-handling-of-highly-classified-documents/

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump’s Handling of Highly Classified Documents

By Eugene Kiely

Posted on August 30, 2022 | Updated on February 15, 2023

 

The FBI on Aug. 8 executed a search warrant at former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in Florida. A federal judge magistrate signed the warrant after “finding probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found” at Trump’s property.

A property receipt of the items taken from Mar-a-Lago listed 11 sets of classified records, including four sets labeled “Miscellaneous Top Secret Documents” and one marked as “Various classified/TS/SCI documents,” which stands for “Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information.” In total, the FBI took possession of 18 government documents marked as top secret, 54 marked as secret, 31 marked as confidential, according to a detailed list of documents taken from Mar-a-Lago. 

That’s in addition to 184 classified documents totaling more than 700 pages that Trump voluntarily provided to the National Archives and Records Administration nearly seven months earlier on Jan. 18.

 

A heavily redacted affidavit filed by the Justice Department in support of the search warrant revealed that 92 of those 184 classified documents were marked as “secret” and 25 were marked as “top secret,” including classified national intelligence further marked to protect the control and dissemination of intelligence sources, methods and activities.

The partial redacted search warrant for Mar-a-Lago revealed that Trump is under investigation for potentially violating any of three criminal codes involving the mishandling of classified information. 

The Justice Department investigation is still in the early stages and more information undoubtedly will come out. For now, we provide a timeline of events, which we will update as warranted.

2021

Jan. 18 — With two days remaining in Trump’s presidency, boxes containing documents are moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago. 

May 6 — The National Archives makes a request for missing presidential records “and continued to make requests until approximately late December 2021 when NARA was informed twelve boxes were found and ready for retrieval” at Mar-a-Lago, according to the Department of Justice’s affidavit requesting a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago.

DecemberNARA begins to arrange for the documents to be securely transported from Mar-a-Lago to Washington.

2022

Jan. 18 — NARA receives 15 boxes of records from Trump that had been taken to Mar-a-Lago, including “highly classified documents intermingled with other records,” according to DOJ’s affidavit.

Jan. 31 — NARA issues a statement that says some of the records it retrieved from Mar-a-Lago “included paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump.” NARA adds, “As has been reported in the press since 2018, White House records management officials during the Trump Administration recovered and taped together some of the torn-up records.”

Feb. 7 — NARA issues a statement confirming that it had received 15 boxes of records from Mar-a-Lago in mid-January. “Former President Trump’s representatives have informed NARA that they are continuing to search for additional Presidential records that belong to the National Archives,” the statement says.

Feb. 8 — NARA issues a statement that says: “Throughout the course of the last year, NARA obtained the cooperation of Trump representatives to locate Presidential records that had not been transferred to the National Archives at the end of the Trump administration. When a representative informed NARA in December 2021 that they had located some records, NARA arranged for them to be securely transported to Washington. NARA officials did not visit or ‘raid’ the Mar-a-Lago property.”

Feb. 9 — The special agent in charge of NARA’s Office of the Inspector General refers the matter to the Department of Justice, according to DOJ’s affidavit.

Feb. 18 — The archivist of the United States sends a letter to the House Oversight Committee that says: “NARA has identified items marked as classified national security information” in the materials recovered from Mar-a-Lago. As a result, “NARA staff has been in communication with the Department of Justice.” 

Trump issues a statement that says, “The National Archives did not ‘find’ anything, they were given, upon request, Presidential Records in an ordinary and routine process to ensure the preservation of my legacy and in accordance with the Presidential Records Act.” 

April 11 — At the Department of Justice’s request, the White House Counsel’s Office formally transmits a letter asking that “NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes” taken from Mar-a-Lago.

April 12 — NARA notifies Trump’s lawyer that it intends to provide FBI access to the 15 boxes of documents taken from Mar-a-Lago in January.

April 29 — The Department of Justice’s National Security Division sends a letter to Evan Corcoran, an attorney for Trump, that says access to documents taken from Mar-a-Lago is “necessary for purposes of our ongoing criminal investigation.”

“According to NARA, among the materials in the boxes are over 100 documents with classification markings, comprising more than 700 pages,” the letter says. “Some include the highest levels of classification, including Special Access Program (SAP) materials.”

The DOJ tells Corcoran it needs access to the documents to assess “the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported.”

That same day, Corcoran writes to NARA, seeking to delay the FBI review of the documents taken from Mar-a-Lago. Corcoran argues that Trump needs time “to ascertain whether any specific document is subject to [executive] privilege” and have the opportunity “to assert a claim of constitutionally based privilege.”

May 1 — Corcoran again asks NARA to delay the FBI review.

May 10 — In response to Corcoran’s request for a delay, Debra Steidel Wall, acting archivist of the United States, sends a letter to Corcoran, saying that she “decided not to honor the former President’s ‘protective’ claim of privilege,” and to allow the FBI review to begin as soon as May 12. 

“The question [of executive privilege] in this case is not a close one,” Wall writes. “The [current] Executive Branch here is seeking access to records belonging to, and in the custody of, the Federal Government itself, not only in order to investigate whether those records were handled in an unlawful manner but also, as the National Security Division explained, to ‘conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported and take any necessary remedial steps.'” (The letter was first published Aug. 23 on a website owned by journalist John Solomon, who was designated by Trump to serve as his liaison to NARA.) 

May 11 — Trump’s office receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents “bearing classification markings.” (The subpoena is disclosed in a motion filed by Trump on Aug. 22.)

A DOJ attorney also sends a letter to Trump’s lawyer asking for a sworn statement from a Trump representative that any documents provided in response to the subpoena “represent all responsive records,” a Justice Department court filing says.

May 16-18 — FBI agents review the 15 boxes retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. They identify “184 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 67 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 92 documents marked as SECRET, and 25 documents marked as TOP SECRET,” according to the DOJ affidavit. 

May 24 — Trump’s lawyer seeks an “extension for complying” with the subpoena to produce any additional classified documents, according to a DOJ court filing. (The DOJ later granted the extension until June 7.)

May 25 — Corcoran, Trump’s lawyer, sends the Justice Department a letter that asserts, among other things, that Trump, as president, had “Absolute Authority To Declassify” government documents, according to DOJ’s affidavit.

June 2 — Trump’s attorney tells the DOJ that FBI agents can meet him tomorrow and “pick up responsive documents” from Mar-a-Lago, in the words of a DOJ court filing.

June 3 — Jay Bratt, chief of the counterintelligence and export control section in the DOJ’s National Security Division, and three FBI agents visit Mar-a-Lago, where an attorney for Trump presents them with “a single Redweld envelope” containing documents “in a manner that suggested counsel believed that the documents were classified,” according to court filings. The agents also tour a storage room, which DOJ says contained about 50 to 55 boxes. Trump’s attorney tells the government agents that “all the records that had come from the White House were stored in one location – a storage room,” and “there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises,” in the words of a DOJ court filing.

“Critically, however, the former President’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained,” the court filing said.

A person identified as the former president’s “custodian of records” hands the government officials at Mar-a-Lago “a signed certification letter” that says a “diligent search was conducted” for “all documents that are responsive to the subpoena.” It adds, “No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any responsive document,” the DOJ court filing said.

A “preliminary review” of the envelope that Trump’s attorney gave to the government agents “revealed the following: 38 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 5 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 16 documents marked as SECRET, and 17 documents marked as TOP SECRET,” the court filing said.

June 8 — Five days after Bratt’s visit, the Justice Department sends Trump’s lawyer a letter saying Mar-a-Lago is not “authorized for the storage of classified information.” The DOJ asks that Trump’s office preserve the documents and secure the room where the documents are stored, according to the DOJ affidavit.

June 19 — Trump designates two new representatives to NARA: John Solomon, a journalist, and Kash Patel, a former top defense aide during the Trump administration. 

June 22 – A lawyer for the Trump Organization confirms to the Justice Department that the company has security cameras near the storage area at Mar-a-Lago, according to a Justice Department court filing.

June 24  – DOJ serves a subpoena to a Trump Organization lawyer seeking “[a]ny and all surveillance records, videos, images, photographs, and/or CCTV from internal cameras located on ground floor (basement)” of Mar-a-Lago since Jan. 10, 2022, a Justice Department court filing says. 

July 6 – In response to the June 24 subpoena, the Trump Organization provides DOJ with a hard drive, according to a Justice Department court filing.

Aug. 5 — A federal magistrate judge in Florida, Bruce Reinhart, signs a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago “after finding probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found at the Premises,” according to the judge’s order to unseal the affidavit.    

It would seem that Trump was reluctantly compliant.   Everything the Feds asked for Trump's people gave.  And then the search warrant was requested.   

I have to disagree with you Mike on this one.  

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1 hour ago, mspart said:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/timeline-of-fbi-investigation-of-trumps-handling-of-highly-classified-documents/

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump’s Handling of Highly Classified Documents

By Eugene Kiely

Posted on August 30, 2022 | Updated on February 15, 2023

 

The FBI on Aug. 8 executed a search warrant at former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in Florida. A federal judge magistrate signed the warrant after “finding probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found” at Trump’s property.

A property receipt of the items taken from Mar-a-Lago listed 11 sets of classified records, including four sets labeled “Miscellaneous Top Secret Documents” and one marked as “Various classified/TS/SCI documents,” which stands for “Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information.” In total, the FBI took possession of 18 government documents marked as top secret, 54 marked as secret, 31 marked as confidential, according to a detailed list of documents taken from Mar-a-Lago. 

That’s in addition to 184 classified documents totaling more than 700 pages that Trump voluntarily provided to the National Archives and Records Administration nearly seven months earlier on Jan. 18.

 

A heavily redacted affidavit filed by the Justice Department in support of the search warrant revealed that 92 of those 184 classified documents were marked as “secret” and 25 were marked as “top secret,” including classified national intelligence further marked to protect the control and dissemination of intelligence sources, methods and activities.

The partial redacted search warrant for Mar-a-Lago revealed that Trump is under investigation for potentially violating any of three criminal codes involving the mishandling of classified information. 

The Justice Department investigation is still in the early stages and more information undoubtedly will come out. For now, we provide a timeline of events, which we will update as warranted.

2021

Jan. 18 — With two days remaining in Trump’s presidency, boxes containing documents are moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago. 

May 6 — The National Archives makes a request for missing presidential records “and continued to make requests until approximately late December 2021 when NARA was informed twelve boxes were found and ready for retrieval” at Mar-a-Lago, according to the Department of Justice’s affidavit requesting a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago.

DecemberNARA begins to arrange for the documents to be securely transported from Mar-a-Lago to Washington.

2022

Jan. 18 — NARA receives 15 boxes of records from Trump that had been taken to Mar-a-Lago, including “highly classified documents intermingled with other records,” according to DOJ’s affidavit.

Jan. 31 — NARA issues a statement that says some of the records it retrieved from Mar-a-Lago “included paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump.” NARA adds, “As has been reported in the press since 2018, White House records management officials during the Trump Administration recovered and taped together some of the torn-up records.”

Feb. 7 — NARA issues a statement confirming that it had received 15 boxes of records from Mar-a-Lago in mid-January. “Former President Trump’s representatives have informed NARA that they are continuing to search for additional Presidential records that belong to the National Archives,” the statement says.

Feb. 8 — NARA issues a statement that says: “Throughout the course of the last year, NARA obtained the cooperation of Trump representatives to locate Presidential records that had not been transferred to the National Archives at the end of the Trump administration. When a representative informed NARA in December 2021 that they had located some records, NARA arranged for them to be securely transported to Washington. NARA officials did not visit or ‘raid’ the Mar-a-Lago property.”

Feb. 9 — The special agent in charge of NARA’s Office of the Inspector General refers the matter to the Department of Justice, according to DOJ’s affidavit.

Feb. 18 — The archivist of the United States sends a letter to the House Oversight Committee that says: “NARA has identified items marked as classified national security information” in the materials recovered from Mar-a-Lago. As a result, “NARA staff has been in communication with the Department of Justice.” 

Trump issues a statement that says, “The National Archives did not ‘find’ anything, they were given, upon request, Presidential Records in an ordinary and routine process to ensure the preservation of my legacy and in accordance with the Presidential Records Act.” 

April 11 — At the Department of Justice’s request, the White House Counsel’s Office formally transmits a letter asking that “NARA provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes” taken from Mar-a-Lago.

April 12 — NARA notifies Trump’s lawyer that it intends to provide FBI access to the 15 boxes of documents taken from Mar-a-Lago in January.

April 29 — The Department of Justice’s National Security Division sends a letter to Evan Corcoran, an attorney for Trump, that says access to documents taken from Mar-a-Lago is “necessary for purposes of our ongoing criminal investigation.”

“According to NARA, among the materials in the boxes are over 100 documents with classification markings, comprising more than 700 pages,” the letter says. “Some include the highest levels of classification, including Special Access Program (SAP) materials.”

The DOJ tells Corcoran it needs access to the documents to assess “the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported.”

That same day, Corcoran writes to NARA, seeking to delay the FBI review of the documents taken from Mar-a-Lago. Corcoran argues that Trump needs time “to ascertain whether any specific document is subject to [executive] privilege” and have the opportunity “to assert a claim of constitutionally based privilege.”

May 1 — Corcoran again asks NARA to delay the FBI review.

May 10 — In response to Corcoran’s request for a delay, Debra Steidel Wall, acting archivist of the United States, sends a letter to Corcoran, saying that she “decided not to honor the former President’s ‘protective’ claim of privilege,” and to allow the FBI review to begin as soon as May 12. 

“The question [of executive privilege] in this case is not a close one,” Wall writes. “The [current] Executive Branch here is seeking access to records belonging to, and in the custody of, the Federal Government itself, not only in order to investigate whether those records were handled in an unlawful manner but also, as the National Security Division explained, to ‘conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported and take any necessary remedial steps.'” (The letter was first published Aug. 23 on a website owned by journalist John Solomon, who was designated by Trump to serve as his liaison to NARA.) 

May 11 — Trump’s office receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents “bearing classification markings.” (The subpoena is disclosed in a motion filed by Trump on Aug. 22.)

A DOJ attorney also sends a letter to Trump’s lawyer asking for a sworn statement from a Trump representative that any documents provided in response to the subpoena “represent all responsive records,” a Justice Department court filing says.

May 16-18 — FBI agents review the 15 boxes retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. They identify “184 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 67 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 92 documents marked as SECRET, and 25 documents marked as TOP SECRET,” according to the DOJ affidavit. 

May 24 — Trump’s lawyer seeks an “extension for complying” with the subpoena to produce any additional classified documents, according to a DOJ court filing. (The DOJ later granted the extension until June 7.)

May 25 — Corcoran, Trump’s lawyer, sends the Justice Department a letter that asserts, among other things, that Trump, as president, had “Absolute Authority To Declassify” government documents, according to DOJ’s affidavit.

June 2 — Trump’s attorney tells the DOJ that FBI agents can meet him tomorrow and “pick up responsive documents” from Mar-a-Lago, in the words of a DOJ court filing.

June 3 — Jay Bratt, chief of the counterintelligence and export control section in the DOJ’s National Security Division, and three FBI agents visit Mar-a-Lago, where an attorney for Trump presents them with “a single Redweld envelope” containing documents “in a manner that suggested counsel believed that the documents were classified,” according to court filings. The agents also tour a storage room, which DOJ says contained about 50 to 55 boxes. Trump’s attorney tells the government agents that “all the records that had come from the White House were stored in one location – a storage room,” and “there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises,” in the words of a DOJ court filing.

“Critically, however, the former President’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained,” the court filing said.

A person identified as the former president’s “custodian of records” hands the government officials at Mar-a-Lago “a signed certification letter” that says a “diligent search was conducted” for “all documents that are responsive to the subpoena.” It adds, “No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any responsive document,” the DOJ court filing said.

A “preliminary review” of the envelope that Trump’s attorney gave to the government agents “revealed the following: 38 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 5 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 16 documents marked as SECRET, and 17 documents marked as TOP SECRET,” the court filing said.

June 8 — Five days after Bratt’s visit, the Justice Department sends Trump’s lawyer a letter saying Mar-a-Lago is not “authorized for the storage of classified information.” The DOJ asks that Trump’s office preserve the documents and secure the room where the documents are stored, according to the DOJ affidavit.

June 19 — Trump designates two new representatives to NARA: John Solomon, a journalist, and Kash Patel, a former top defense aide during the Trump administration. 

June 22 – A lawyer for the Trump Organization confirms to the Justice Department that the company has security cameras near the storage area at Mar-a-Lago, according to a Justice Department court filing.

June 24  – DOJ serves a subpoena to a Trump Organization lawyer seeking “[a]ny and all surveillance records, videos, images, photographs, and/or CCTV from internal cameras located on ground floor (basement)” of Mar-a-Lago since Jan. 10, 2022, a Justice Department court filing says. 

July 6 – In response to the June 24 subpoena, the Trump Organization provides DOJ with a hard drive, according to a Justice Department court filing.

Aug. 5 — A federal magistrate judge in Florida, Bruce Reinhart, signs a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago “after finding probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found at the Premises,” according to the judge’s order to unseal the affidavit.    

It would seem that Trump was reluctantly compliant.   Everything the Feds asked for Trump's people gave.  And then the search warrant was requested.   

I have to disagree with you Mike on this one.  

mspart

It is self-evident that he was noncompliant.

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