1032004 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Well, that sucks. Parallel ride is fine it seems. Double boots and just drive down to mat is fine. Seriously, WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 hours ago, Dark Energy said: Well, that sucks. Parallel ride is fine it seems. Double boots and just drive down to mat is fine. Seriously, WTF? Yeah, the Daton Fix double boot stall ride is pretty much the ultimate ride according to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 it makes sense to a point... b/c by riding i can accumulate a point. so i am trying to score... but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingshoe Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 What stands out to me more are the "general purpose stalling rules" mentioned first. It doesn't seem like those are applied effectively nor correctly... Considered stalling when "Attempting to avoid wrestling" (5.7.1). "Offensive and defensive wrestlers shall make an attempt to sustain active wrestling and remain in the competition circle" (5.7.11). "Action is to be maintained throughout the match by wrestlers staying near the center of the mat and wrestling aggressively in all positions." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I hate when stalling gets called on the guy who is glued to the mat on bottom instead of the guy on top with parallel ride 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, flyingcement said: I hate when stalling gets called on the guy who is glued to the mat on bottom instead of the guy on top with parallel ride Same, but apparently that's the direction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, flyingcement said: I hate when stalling gets called on the guy who is glued to the mat on bottom instead of the guy on top with parallel ride Same. Then I get the “well it depends on the bottom guy.. no he’s riding parallel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Stalling on top guy should be "not trying to score or improve their position". Not trying for the fall should be in the list of stalling. Improving your position is getting the bottom guy to his back. From there it is to pin. This does not incentivize the top wrestler to do anything other than stay in the middle and STALL. mspart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, mspart said: Stalling on top guy should be "not trying to score or improve their position". Not trying for the fall should be in the list of stalling. Improving your position is getting the bottom guy to his back. From there it is to pin. This does not incentivize the top wrestler to do anything other than stay in the middle and STALL. mspart The problem is that technically the top guy is trying to score by securing riding time. So therefore riding is not stalling. I hate it too, but apparently we need a rule change to address it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Eagle26 said: The problem is that technically the top guy is trying to score by securing riding time. So therefore riding is not stalling. I hate it too, but apparently we need a rule change to address it. Correct. High school rules say offensive wrestler must work for a fall, so seems pretty simple to add it to college 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 If we remove the riding time point, I also wouldn't be too upset 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, flyingcement said: If we remove the riding time point, I also wouldn't be too upset I’m in favor of needing to score near fall in order to get the RT point 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I don't see where it mentions scoring. Art. 11. Stalling — Offensive and Defensive Position. Offensive and defensive wrestlers shall make an attempt to sustain active wrestling and remain in the competition circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Really bad for the sport... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 hours ago, gimpeltf said: I don't see where it mentions scoring. It does for the defensive wrestler, but not the offensive one, which seems a bit hypocritical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 If the defensive wrestler is rewarded for escaping why shouldn't the offensive wrestler be allowed to prevent him from escaping? It seems symmetrical. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nailbender Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: If the defensive wrestler is rewarded for escaping why shouldn't the offensive wrestler be allowed to prevent him from escaping? It seems symmetrical. Because it's boring. I am a huge fan of a real hammer in the top position. The claw ride and thigh pry frustrate me to no end. The encouragement to ride through increased points for a turn and the riding time point were welcomed by me but more is needed to fix the unintended consequence of more stalling on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: If the defensive wrestler is rewarded for escaping why shouldn't the offensive wrestler be allowed to prevent him from escaping? It seems symmetrical. If they are in the process of escaping sure, but why is the defensive wrestler required to try to escape but the offensive wrestler apparently doesn’t have to do anything except be “active”? Guess we can add this to the sequel to Stall Camp: “I try not to think of it as stalling, I think of it as ‘escape prevention.’” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 22 hours ago, 1032004 said: Correct. High school rules say offensive wrestler must work for a fall, so seems pretty simple to add it to college This! mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 Side note, but I did also get a laugh out of Kevin Ward criticizing Mark Branch for saying he “doesn’t have enough time” to read a 2 page document (but he did have enough time to reply twice in the tweet thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Stalling is problematic all the way around. It’s boring to watch, it doesn’t get called consistently, and the idea of a referee awarding unearned points is bad. If they’re not going to call stalling on the top wrestler- okay, but don’t award points to a superior top wrestler because an inferior wrestler can’t manage to escape without exposing himself to a turning predicament. I suggest that at a second stalling call, stop the match and restart it with the non-stalling wrestler having choice of starting position; limited to bottom or neutral if he was on top when stalling was called. That’s my suggestion, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Offthemat said: Stalling is problematic all the way around. It’s boring to watch, it doesn’t get called consistently, and the idea of a referee awarding unearned points is bad. If they’re not going to call stalling on the top wrestler- okay, but don’t award points to a superior top wrestler because an inferior wrestler can’t manage to escape without exposing himself to a turning predicament. I suggest that at a second stalling call, stop the match and restart it with the non-stalling wrestler having choice of starting position; limited to bottom or neutral if he was on top when stalling was called. That’s my suggestion, anyway. It is so much better than it was 15/20 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Me and some friends played golf at Whistling Straits. That place has a lot of sand traps. One of my friends complains to the head pro "There are too many sand traps on this blasted golf course!". Head pro says back, "If you don't like them then why did you hit the ball there?". If you don't like your plight on bottom, then why'd you let your opponent take you down? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 9:46 PM, ionel said: It is so much better than it was 15/20 years ago. It’s purpose was to promote more action, making the sport more interesting and preventing inaction as a strategy. A lot of people find it distasteful for a ref to award points. With a restart in a different position the action is likely to pick up and the wrestlers still have to score their own points, just like penalties in other sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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