scourge165 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 10 hours ago, ionel said: They were both returning NCAA champs, kindve the point why he bumped up. Ok...I was thinking that was Gable's Soph year(so first year of competition). It says it was Feb of 1966(obviously an error) on Mike Gant's OU HOF page and I wasn't familiar with it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 12 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Askren v. Kish If you want to take it out of dual meets: Schultz v. Banach; Dake vs. Taylor. Dake and Taylor's the best of them all, but I don't really view that as the same. I'm talking about jumping up a weight above your normal weight(something you never see any longer). Dake just went up a weight each year...and he looked more like a '65 pounder than Taylor by the end of that year. Askren v Kish is a good one. I guess with Herbert and Askren Wrestling in the finals and then wrestling the exhibition later on when Herbert was still Wrestling, I forgot it was Kish. How about Jim Jordan vs Kevin Dresser? Jordan was the defending champ...was gonna wrestle 142, got WAXED 10-0 and Dresser sent his ass back down to 134! They weren't both champs yet, but, they would be a few months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingphish Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) On 1/5/2023 at 12:51 PM, jchapman said: By speeding? Jordan Oliver, Oklahoma State alumnus, got a PED suspension for modern day speed. Edited January 7, 2023 by wrestlingphish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, scourge165 said: Ok...I was thinking that was Gable's Soph year(so first year of competition). It says it was Feb of 1966(obviously an error) on Mike Gant's OU HOF page and I wasn't familiar with it myself. Dan Gable's senior Year (1969-1970) Rick Ramirez, Missouri, 3:11 Gary Baker, Drake, 1:13 Larry Woodson, Missouri, 1:17 John Stein, New Mexico, 3:44 Tom Bensen, Arizona State, 3:52 Dan Larkin, Arizona, 2:57 Midlands Tournament John Fregeau, Illinois, 3:56 Larry Hurlburt, Central Michigan, 1:55 Warren Gamble, Ball State, 3:30 Dave Dominick, Oklahoma State, 7:43 Keith Lowrance, Michigan State, 6:42 Vince Raft, Southern Illinois, 3:46 Tom Meier, Nebraska, 5:21 Phil Fitzgerald, Oklahoma State, 5:45 Herb Campbell, Lehigh, 23-3 Fred Kemp, Hofstra, 5:47 Bill Beakley, Oklahoma, 3:40 Ivar Moi, Indiana State, 2:31 Doug Campbell, Oklahoma State, 1:32 Bob Pomplun, Mankato State, 3:50 Steve Walters, Kansas State, 2:40 Charles Annand, Colorado State U, 2:47 Dan Talcott, Colorado, 4:12 Don Silbaugh, Wyoming, 3:49 Mike Grant, Oklahoma, 9-4 Big Eight Tournament Dan Talcott, Colorado, 2:38 Lyle Cook, Kansas State, 3:56 Doug Campbell, Oklahoma State, 2:22 NCAA Tournament Larry Hulburt, Central Michigan, 3:11 Steve Walter, Indiana State, 5:28 Gary Pelci, Minnesota, 4:29 Bill Bleakley, Oklahoma, 2:27 Wayne Bright, Old Dominion, 6:33 LOST to Larry Owings, Washington, 13-11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 I really did believe ya ionel! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, ionel said: Dan Gable's senior Year (1969-1970) Rick Ramirez, Missouri, 3:11 Gary Baker, Drake, 1:13 Larry Woodson, Missouri, 1:17 John Stein, New Mexico, 3:44 Tom Bensen, Arizona State, 3:52 Dan Larkin, Arizona, 2:57 Midlands Tournament John Fregeau, Illinois, 3:56 Larry Hurlburt, Central Michigan, 1:55 Warren Gamble, Ball State, 3:30 Dave Dominick, Oklahoma State, 7:43 Keith Lowrance, Michigan State, 6:42 Vince Raft, Southern Illinois, 3:46 Tom Meier, Nebraska, 5:21 Phil Fitzgerald, Oklahoma State, 5:45 Herb Campbell, Lehigh, 23-3 Fred Kemp, Hofstra, 5:47 Bill Beakley, Oklahoma, 3:40 Ivar Moi, Indiana State, 2:31 Doug Campbell, Oklahoma State, 1:32 Bob Pomplun, Mankato State, 3:50 Steve Walters, Kansas State, 2:40 Charles Annand, Colorado State U, 2:47 Dan Talcott, Colorado, 4:12 Don Silbaugh, Wyoming, 3:49 Mike Grant, Oklahoma, 9-4 Big Eight Tournament Dan Talcott, Colorado, 2:38 Lyle Cook, Kansas State, 3:56 Doug Campbell, Oklahoma State, 2:22 NCAA Tournament Larry Hulburt, Central Michigan, 3:11 Steve Walter, Indiana State, 5:28 Gary Pelci, Minnesota, 4:29 Bill Bleakley, Oklahoma, 2:27 Wayne Bright, Old Dominion, 6:33 LOST to Larry Owings, Washington, 13-11 23-3? No techs back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 hours ago, 1032004 said: 23-3? No techs back then? Not until he 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 4 hours ago, 1032004 said: 23-3? No techs back then? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 8 hours ago, 1032004 said: 23-3? No techs back then? Mike Sheets was still in grade school, maybe not even K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 11 hours ago, 1032004 said: 23-3? No techs back then? Nope, but the same number of team points. Superior decisions (12 point differential) score 5 team points. Team scoring at that time also gave each team 2 points for a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 16 hours ago, scourge165 said: Dake and Taylor's the best of them all, but I don't really view that as the same. I'm talking about jumping up a weight above your normal weight(something you never see any longer). Dake just went up a weight each year...and he looked more like a '65 pounder than Taylor by the end of that year. Askren v Kish is a good one. I guess with Herbert and Askren Wrestling in the finals and then wrestling the exhibition later on when Herbert was still Wrestling, I forgot it was Kish. How about Jim Jordan vs Kevin Dresser? Jordan was the defending champ...was gonna wrestle 142, got WAXED 10-0 and Dresser sent his ass back down to 134! They weren't both champs yet, but, they would be a few months later. I believe that Dake has said that someone in media proposed that he should go up another weight and try to take out Taylor, and that is what solidified his choice to move up. Supposedly it was specifically for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 16 hours ago, scourge165 said: How about Jim Jordan vs Kevin Dresser? Jordan was the defending champ...was gonna wrestle 142, got WAXED 10-0 and Dresser sent his ass back down to 134! Not as bad as what Brands did to Jeff Prescott! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I believe that Dake has said that someone in media proposed that he should go up another weight and try to take out Taylor, and that is what solidified his choice to move up. Supposedly it was specifically for that reason. Dake beat him in freestyle before the all star right? And then taylor commented that maybe he'd drop down for the rematch and dake was like I'll go up. I felt comfortable at 165 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawrestler Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I believe that Dake has said that someone in media proposed that he should go up another weight and try to take out Taylor, and that is what solidified his choice to move up. Supposedly it was specifically for that reason. I’m pretty sure it was Burroughs that suggested it while they were both at a training camp in Colorado 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I believe that Dake has said that someone in media proposed that he should go up another weight and try to take out Taylor, and that is what solidified his choice to move up. Supposedly it was specifically for that reason. Yeah, I'm sure beating the two time reigning Hodge Trophy winner was a big incentive. AS was winning a Title at 4 different weights... I guess I'm being picky here. I'm talking about one match, bumping up, wrestling at a disadvantage to try and get the best matchup. Dake and Taylor was one of the best storylines in recent College Wrestling, so it certainly had the intrigue. Two of the best Wrestlers EVER...a 6 Finals between them, 5 Titles, one fluke-ish pin heading into their Sr years... But again, Dake was up all year and he was certainly at no disadvantage physically. Hell, I'm also not the gatekeeper of what "going up," means, so sure. I think Jordan and Dresser is my favorite though...Gable and Gant is pretty cool as well. Edited January 8, 2023 by scourge165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Not as bad as what Brands did to Jeff Prescott! No....that was an absolute ass whooping. You're right about that. Prescott looked TINY compared to Brands. Brands looked like a 49 pounder in modern Wrestling. MAYBE a big '41 and Prescott looked like a regular '25. If you're going best matches...that wasn't even competitive. Brands pushed him all over the mat and just dominated him. Prescott did have a couple of times where he could have gotten a tilt if Brands wasn't so much stronger. Brands did that with a few other guys who were on that level. Went down a rabbit hole and ended up watching about a dozen of his matches. Man, I do not like that guy, but he was a stud and he was intense. I'd kinda forgotten about that match, but I went back and watched it. Watching guys from that era, it feels like you can see how much more weight they were sucking also. The whole day to recover. Joe Williams for instance, he looked like a '74 pounder than a '58. New rules definitely a good thing there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CementMixer Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Fix is not going down to 125. Please delete this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 4 hours ago, CementMixer said: Fix is not going down to 125. Please delete this thread. But an Iowa fan posted it on FB then other Iowa fans talked about it on HR then another Iowa fan mentioned on IM that it was being talked about on HR. If repeated enough times it has to be true, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Would watching Lee v Ramos embolden Fix or scare him off? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Would watching Lee v Ramos embolden Fix or scare him off? Don't think he is scared of anyone at 125, think he is scared of the weight loss, would you be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, ionel said: Don't think he is scared of anyone at 125, think he is scared of the weight loss, would you be? only half of me 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Pyles claimed on FRL today that Fix is certified at 125. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Pyles claimed on FRL today that Fix is certified at 125. Of course he is, he wrestles at Oklahoma State. I heard AJ Ferrari was certified at 125, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, 1032004 said: Pyles claimed on FRL today that Fix is certified at 125. 2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Of course he is, he wrestles at Oklahoma State. I heard AJ Ferrari was certified at 125, too. Everybody certifies at 125, is just easier that way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Revisiting this. Vito's been wrestling on a whole other level lately. I'm keeping my eye on 61kg. It'll be interesting if Vito and Fix end up in this year's Final X. If Fix loses, should he try to cut to 125 next season? 125 will be pretty cleared out if he can make the weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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