Wrestleknownothing Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 I finally got around to estimating bonus points. Emphasis on estimating. I found the final team scores from 2013 - 2022 on the Penn State Wrestling Club website. I joined those with my team by team estimates of advancement points and actual placement points to come up with a team by team, year by year estimate of how many bonus points were scored. Because my advancement points are only estimated I wound up with a handful of negative bonus point situations. I used a very sophisticated method of changing my estimated advancement so that bonus was no longer negative (aka The Torture the Numbers Until They Speak Principal). Most of these "corrections/re-estimations" were 0.5 points with the occasional full point or point and a half. Because any individual entry might be off a tad I will stick with summary level data. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 A little Trivia In 2013 Northwestern scored 32.5 team points without scoring a single bonus point. That is the highest team score with zero bonus points in my sample. From 2017 - 2022 no team with zero bonus points scored double digit team points. 2017 PSU edges 2018 Iowa 32.5 to 30.5 for most bonus points in the period. PSU had 5 MD, 9 1.5 TF, and 7 Pinfalls. Iowa had 6 MD, 3 1.5 TF, and 10 Pinfalls. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1957? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pinnacle Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) If it is not too much to ask, I'd be curious as to who the top ten individual bonus point scorers are in order. I can imagine most of them, of course, but it would be an interesting stat. Edited December 29, 2022 by Pinnacle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pinnacle said: If it is not too much to ask, I'd be curious as to who the top ten individual bonus point scorers are in order. I can imagine most of them, of course, but it would be an interesting stat. It is not too much trouble, especially since you asked so nicely. Top 10 By Total Bonus Points Scored: Top 10 By Bonus Points Per Year: Top 10 By Bonus Points Per Match: Edited December 29, 2022 by Wrestleknownothing Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 I'd think there'd have to be some debate between bonus pernt scorers compared across decades. I know I'd have one big reservation with comparing them. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ban Basketball said: I'd think there'd have to be some debate between bonus pernt scorers compared across decades. I know I'd have one big reservation with comparing them. There were so many scoring rule changes that it is indeed difficult to do without context. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 And I find it endlessly entertaining that Earl McCready only had to win 8 matches to win 3 titles. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: There were so many scoring rule changes that it is indeed difficult to do without context. Good point, and it wasn't even that that I was thinking of. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) Though my all-time favorite bracket is still 115 lbs in 1929. Dell Shockley of Oklahoma State went 0-2 to finish third. Of course, it was a three man bracket. He got a bye to the final where he lost. He then lost in the true second place match. Dell Shockley does not appear again at the NCAA tournament. Even though he and I have won the same number of NCAA tournament matches, he is forever an All-American and I am forever not. Edited December 29, 2022 by Wrestleknownothing 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ban Basketball Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Twenty years or so ago-maybe it's still the case today- the national DIII tournament had a heavyweight- maybe even other weights that year- that went 1-2 and placed as an AA. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Though my all-time favorite bracket is still 115 lbs in 1929. Dell Shockley of Oklahoma State went 0-2 to finish third. Of course, it was a three man bracket. He got a bye to the final where he lost. He then lost in the true second place match. Dell Shockley does not appear again at the NCAA tournament. Even though he and I have won the same number of NCAA tournament matches, he is an All-American and I am not. But did you ever weigh in at 115? Yeah thats what I thought. Edited December 29, 2022 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, ionel said: But did you ever weigh in at 115? Yeah thats what I thought. I absolutely did. Just don't ask the grade. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: It is not too much trouble, especially since you asked so nicely. Top 10 By Total Bonus Points Scored: Top 10 By Bonus Points Per Year: Top 10 By Bonus Points Per Match: Thanks. I have seen stuff like this before and your data goes way back in time. I was aiming for your last ten years of time period to see where Spencer Lee was vs others. I figure he's probably first, but PSU has some guys who also scored high bonus so I am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: Thanks. I have seen stuff like this before and your data goes way back in time. I was aiming for your last ten years of time period to see where Spencer Lee was vs others. I figure he's probably first, but PSU has some guys who also scored high bonus so I am not sure. If I filter for anyone who finished their career in the past ten years and anyone who will finish their career this year (2011 - 2023), Spencer Lee ranks 11th in total bonus points. If he has an average year he will move up to fifth. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 That Pen St8 team has had some good wrestlers this past decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: If I filter for anyone who finished their career in the past ten years and anyone who will finish their career this year (2011 - 2023), What if you filter for all years ending in 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: That Pen St8 team has had some good wrestlers this past decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, ionel said: What if you filter for all years ending in 7? Larry Bielenberg edges out Dan Hodge 22.5 to 22. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 34 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: If I filter for anyone who finished their career in the past ten years and anyone who will finish their career this year (2011 - 2023), Spencer Lee ranks 11th in total bonus points. If he has an average year he will move up to fifth. Little surprised by that as I figured he'd be higher. Devin Carter and Daniel Lewis making the list were also unexpected. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: Little surprised by that as I figured he'd be higher. Devin Carter and Daniel Lewis making the list were also unexpected. Thanks. Carter and Lewis spent a lot of time in the consolation brackets so they got a lot of matches - 25 each. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Carter and Lewis spent a lot of time in the consolation brackets so they got a lot of matches - 25 each. Ahhh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Pinnacle said: Ahhh. Spencer Lee does have an outside shot at catching Logan Steiber for highest total points in the last 10 years. But, he needs needs his best tournament yet to catch him. He trails Stieber by 27.5 having scored 27, 24.5, and 24.5 in his three tournaments. If he has his average tournament (25.3 points) he will be in second on that list. All time Lee is seventh on the most points per tournament list behind Sanderson, Hodge, Gable Stieber, Wayne Martin, and Banach. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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