Truzzcat Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 now knowing we have a guy at each weight how many medals are we walking away with? I firmly believe we can medal at all 6 weights and potentially gold at 5 of 6 Zain navigating 65 will be a tall task as we saw he lost to ochir but that match feels like one he can win and ochir is one of the best. A guy like Amouzad seems like a pretty good matchup for Zain and I think he could melt musakaev if the refs don't let him take too many lung injury times. Unfortunately you toss in with those guys Dudaev, Kiyooka, Tevanyan, Mamedov you could potentially see zain have to win 3-4 toss up matches in a row but something he can do for sure. Spencer will need to be on his offense. A guy like Micic seems like a difficult matchup he will get to Spencers legs and can finish as well as anyone but if he can give himself 1,2,3 chances in par tear he can end a match against anyone. I think its Dake Sidakov pt 2 but it would be naive to pencil either guy in 100% with how good that weight is. Assuming AB goes I think he wins. As much as I think some of the stuff he says is rather dumb he very well may be the best wrestler at any weight in the world right now. Sadulaev did not look as good as I expect him to be at Russian nationals which leads me to believe worlds may have not just been the neck issue. Taz is the man to beat until proven otherwise but I have more faith Snyder can make adjustments on his finishes to avoid giving up 4's against him then watching him lose to Sadulaev when he was at his best in seemingly the same way each time so I think he has a shot to win it all this year especially as good as he looked against Trumble. Azarpir will also be a huge threat he beat Snyder at a ranking series last fall but this weight feels extremely top heavy so hopefully he can snag a good draw. I cannot see Mason beating Zare right now but he beats anyone else in the world in my opinion. Matchup wise Munkthur from Mongolia scares me a bit because I think he can match masons athleticism but I think he beats Geno the next time they wrestle and luckily Iran can only send one of Zare or Masoumi. My prediction 4 golds 1 silver 1 bronze. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cangemi Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 11 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: now knowing we have a guy at each weight how many medals are we walking away with? I firmly believe we can medal at all 6 weights and potentially gold at 5 of 6 Zain navigating 65 will be a tall task as we saw he lost to ochir but that match feels like one he can win and ochir is one of the best. A guy like Amouzad seems like a pretty good matchup for Zain and I think he could melt musakaev if the refs don't let him take too many lung injury times. Unfortunately you toss in with those guys Dudaev, Kiyooka, Tevanyan, Mamedov you could potentially see zain have to win 3-4 toss up matches in a row but something he can do for sure. Spencer will need to be on his offense. A guy like Micic seems like a difficult matchup he will get to Spencers legs and can finish as well as anyone but if he can give himself 1,2,3 chances in par tear he can end a match against anyone. I think its Dake Sidakov pt 2 but it would be naive to pencil either guy in 100% with how good that weight is. Assuming AB goes I think he wins. As much as I think some of the stuff he says is rather dumb he very well may be the best wrestler at any weight in the world right now. Sadulaev did not look as good as I expect him to be at Russian nationals which leads me to believe worlds may have not just been the neck issue. Taz is the man to beat until proven otherwise but I have more faith Snyder can make adjustments on his finishes to avoid giving up 4's against him then watching him lose to Sadulaev when he was at his best in seemingly the same way each time so I think he has a shot to win it all this year especially as good as he looked against Trumble. Azarpir will also be a huge threat he beat Snyder at a ranking series last fall but this weight feels extremely top heavy so hopefully he can snag a good draw. I cannot see Mason beating Zare right now but he beats anyone else in the world in my opinion. Matchup wise Munkthur from Mongolia scares me a bit because I think he can match masons athleticism but I think he beats Geno the next time they wrestle and luckily Iran can only send one of Zare or Masoumi. My prediction 4 golds 1 silver 1 bronze. I think that would be nice but doubtful. Everyone has a shot at Metaling. I think 2 golds would be great 3 would be unbelievable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemonster Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Zain's guaranteed blood times per match kinda hurt him imo, especially against somebody like Musakaev. I'd like to say he medals but 65kg is just so damn hard to predict. Kind of off topic but why do sports like UFC allow for blood to literally be dripping into other fighter's mouths but for wrestling we stop the match at a single drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) -Snyder and Dake are near locks (2) - Zain is wrestling in the toughest or one of the toughest weight classes. Will depend on his draw, his weight management, etc (25%) - Brooks may be the best at his weight but being his first major Senior international tournament someone like Kurugliev can bounce him from the tournament (25%) -Spence like Brooks may be the best but like Zain he's in a loaded weight class (25%) -Parris for gold in Paris seems like destiny. (25%) O/U to medal at 6 weights 3.5 *** I believe this might be a team that might even be better than our 2020 Oly team and it's by no means crazy to think we medal at every weight and bring back a lot of Gold Edited May 12 by PortaJohn 3 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 52 minutes ago, pokemonster said: Zain's guaranteed blood times per match kinda hurt him imo, especially against somebody like Musakaev. I'd like to say he medals but 65kg is just so damn hard to predict. Kind of off topic but why do sports like UFC allow for blood to literally be dripping into other fighter's mouths but for wrestling we stop the match at a single drop? dont forget how much weight he's cutting....guys like musakeav have a weird habit of being in better shape at the olympics. Zains shape advantage might be more along the lines of recovery between matches than gassing guys out. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4xJVchamp Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 No shot zains chances are as good as Spencer’s. He’s a legit threat win gold whereas Zain would have to have the best tournament of his life to win. I would put Zain at like 15% and Lee around 35 to 40% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 23 minutes ago, 4xJVchamp said: No shot zains chances are as good as Spencer’s. He’s a legit threat win gold whereas Zain would have to have the best tournament of his life to win. I would put Zain at like 15% and Lee around 35 to 40% To be clear: Spencer Lee will also have to have had the best tournament of his life to win Gold. This is about medalling, not winning gold, and I think 25% is about spot on. It is convenient to forget that Spencer Lee had to come back to beat Wanhou Zou of China via 10-9 Decision. The same Zou that got destroyed by the other semi-final winner Aman of India via 10-0 Tech a few months ago at Zagrab. The same Zou that got destroyed at last years Worlds via 10-0 Tech to Arsen Hartyunyan of Armenia. Two times in the last six or so months that someone teched him without allowing him to score a point on him... yet Spencer had to come back to win 10-9. Chill out with the 'Guaranteed Gold' shit. 2 2 1 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, 4xJVchamp said: No shot zains chances are as good as Spencer’s. He’s a legit threat win gold whereas Zain would have to have the best tournament of his life to win. I would put Zain at like 15% and Lee around 35 to 40% What in the world are you smoking cuz I want some! Here I thought putting Zain and Spencer at 25% to medal might've been a little aggressive Edited May 12 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I think all six MFS athletes are capable of medaling. A solid performance would be four medals. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de4856 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Well let’s hope for all six in MFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandOlm Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I don't think any of the Americans are the on paper favorites for Gold (you can make an argument for Brooks but that's giving a lot of transitive property accomplishments to him). I'd say 57, 65, and 125 are the beat the field weights where there are a couple medal contenders who could win gold. 86 and 97 have a final boss that is in a different tier from everyone else. 74 is in between. (Sidakov is the unanimous favorite but he does take losses and has really close matches sometimes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 hours ago, PortaJohn said: -Snyder and Dake are near locks are sadulaev and sidakov out? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 3 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: are sadulaev and sidakov out? The president of the RWF said that Uguev and Sidakov are fine and he feels pretty good about Sadulaev in a recent interview. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 39 minutes ago, GrandOlm said: I don't think any of the Americans are the on paper favorites for Gold (you can make an argument for Brooks but that's giving a lot of transitive property accomplishments to him). I'd say 57, 65, and 125 are the beat the field weights where there are a couple medal contenders who could win gold. 86 and 97 have a final boss that is in a different tier from everyone else. 74 is in between. (Sidakov is the unanimous favorite but he does take losses and has really close matches sometimes). Sidakov has never lost at Worlds has he? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: Sidakov has never lost at Worlds has he? i think he's the best guy on earth 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: i think he's the best guy on earth He certainly is. Dake can beat him. My prediction list was just to medal. Did a poor job not stating that in my post Edited May 12 by PortaJohn 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Each one of our guys is a medal threat. Zain was a giant against most of the guys he faced and seems to have his weight under control. Its going to take a stud to beat him, if he doesn't make the final, I wouldn't be surprized if he wrestles for a medal. He has to be among the favorites. Muza has to be the favorite, depending on his tank, the tank doesn't seem to be a prob for Zain,, Nick Lee gave the Iranian a descent match, and Zain is more solid than Nick. I also think Zain matches up well with Dudaev. Top 3. Spencer had a close match with Zhou, and after the 4, Spencer beat him up until the last exchange and he wasn't close to getting turned, then destroyed the field he spent about 10 minutes on the mat and most of that was against Zhou. I think Spencer will beat him up if they wrestle again. Spencer top 3 Dake is on a mission, I don't see him losing until possibly the final where he could face Sidakov, their first match came down to the final exchange. I expect silver or gold. Brooks top 3 in my opinion. He underhooks like Yaz and may be just as strong and has a better tank. Brooks top 3 Snyder is never out of medal contention. Top 3 Parris has proven he can hang with the best and only seems to be improving. He is 1-0 againt Zare, it was 2019, but who knows if he can hang with him now, they haven't wrestled since to my knowledge. He lost to Geno multi WC 8-6 at worlds and beat everyone else. To say he doesn't have a chance to medal is disingenuous. top 3. The opinions expressed are my own, if you don't like it I don't care. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cangemi Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 There will be some new guys that make a name for them self that are not on our radar. Just the way it is. To make Russian, Iranian, or us team you have to be ridiculously good. So anyone in them lineups beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 17 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Sidakov has never lost at Worlds has he? For perspective, Sadulaev has been wrestling intl. much longer, he lost to Snyder after going up a weight then didn't lose for 6 years then got mopped by Taz, Sidakov has lost twice in the last year, he's beatable, worlds or otherwise. his win against Dake was razor thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 3 hours ago, Threadkilla said: For perspective, Sadulaev has been wrestling intl. much longer, he lost to Snyder after going up a weight then didn't lose for 6 years then got mopped by Taz, Sidakov has lost twice in the last year, he's beatable, worlds or otherwise. his win against Dake was razor thin. Every match between Sidakov and Burroughs was razor thin, but only one of them ever won when it mattered. I know he is beatable. Everyone is. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 3 hours ago, Threadkilla said: For perspective, Sadulaev has been wrestling intl. much longer, he lost to Snyder after going up a weight then didn't lose for 6 years then got mopped by Taz, Sidakov has lost twice in the last year, he's beatable, worlds or otherwise. his win against Dake was razor thin. the refs helped out dake a lot.... "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 (edited) Dake should watch a lot of tsebalov film to prep for Sidakov. To my knowledge hes the only guy to have beaten Sidakov twice and he also has a 2-2 criteria loss and most recently at last years worlds lost to him 6-4 at 32 years old. He definitely knows how to wrestle Sidakov as tough as possible. listening to an FRL they discussed how Sidakov was able to evade and counter Dakes chest wrap which nobody aside from him as seemed to be able to figure out. Its certainly a chess match I look forward to playing out. Edited May 13 by Truzzcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragu Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 All 6 medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 16 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: Dake should watch a lot of tsebalov film to prep for Sidakov. To my knowledge hes the only guy to have beaten Sidakov twice and he also has a 2-2 criteria loss and most recently at last years worlds lost to him 6-4 at 32 years old. He definitely knows how to wrestle Sidakov as tough as possible. listening to an FRL they discussed how Sidakov was able to evade and counter Dakes chest wrap which nobody aside from him as seemed to be able to figure out. Its certainly a chess match I look forward to playing out. Nolf teched Tsabolov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 I really like all 6 guys' quality, for sure. We haven't had a group entering the Olympics in the last few cycles where the guy with the worst odds for medaling (Zain) probably has a 40% chance or better to get hardware. With that said, it's been a couple cycles since we've had zero gold medal favorites. Our floors are higher, but our ceilings are probably a little lower with this group. I'm guessing an objective oddsmaker would put our medal over/unders at 1 for gold and about 4.5 for medals. That would mean a gold from Lee/Dake/AB, four or five medals total, and one or two disappointed guys losing to a world-class dynamic performance at an in opportune time. As a fan, though, I definitely think 6 medals and a couple golds are possible. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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