The Kid Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/12/2024 at 5:31 PM, d_jizzle_05 said: Congrats to Zain... I've been to Benton, PA (D-4) and it's small-town America personified. There's country, and then there's COUNTRY...and Benton is definitely the latter. Expand Benton strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted May 13, 2024 Author Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/12/2024 at 5:59 PM, pokemonster said: I think if Spencer wrestles to his ability, he can bring home the gold. His par terre was incredible this tourny. Expand One takedown in each match resulting in +38 point differential from 4 takedowns (9.5 per takedown). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemonster Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/12/2024 at 11:32 PM, PNWfan said: Agree on the last point. Keep in mind at WC’s last year, Stevan Micic went on an impressive run and won gold. If Micic can do it, Spencer Lee absolutely can too. And not to hate on Iowa, but if Spencer was this freaking good already, seems they kinda botched a sure thing. Almost criminal to prioritize his college career over world and Olympic medals. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted May 13, 2024 Author Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 4:32 AM, pokemonster said: And not to hate on Iowa, but if Spencer was this freaking good already, seems they kinda botched a sure thing. Almost criminal to prioritize his college career over world and Olympic medals. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Expand No college kid or college coach thinks this way. Not practically anyway. They may value medals in their minds, but they won't change college schedules or training programs or redshirts to adapt to prioritizing a freestyle career except in very rare cases. (i.e. Trials minus Vito, minus Carr, minus O'Toole, injured/limited Starocci--even in an Olympic year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 4:32 AM, pokemonster said: And not to hate on Iowa, but if Spencer was this freaking good already, seems they kinda botched a sure thing. Almost criminal to prioritize his college career over world and Olympic medals. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Expand On 5/13/2024 at 11:01 AM, maligned said: No college kid or college coach thinks this way. Not practically anyway. They may value medals in their minds, but they won't change college schedules or training programs or redshirts to adapt to prioritizing a freestyle career except in very rare cases. (i.e. Trials minus Vito, minus Carr, minus O'Toole, injured/limited Starocci--even in an Olympic year) Expand I am about 110% sure that Spencer and his dad had a HUGE say in how he was used at Iowa. Don't blame the Brands for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 11:52 AM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I am about 110% sure that Spencer and his dad had a HUGE say in how he was used at Iowa. Don't blame the Brands for anything. Expand As I remember it Lee seemed to be relieved to be taking a few years off from FS. I can't blame him, doing a fullbore FS schedule in addition to folk must be brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemonster Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 11:52 AM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I am about 110% sure that Spencer and his dad had a HUGE say in how he was used at Iowa. Don't blame the Brands for anything. Expand I just don't get it... If he's "beating the crap" out of the Olympic rep in the room (per Dan Dennis), why the hell would he not want to at least kick the tires on the freestyle scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 1:58 PM, pokemonster said: I just don't get it... If he's "beating the crap" out of the Olympic rep in the room (per Dan Dennis), why the hell would he not want to at least kick the tires on the freestyle scene? Expand Because his knees were hurt. He did an interview with Bader a few months back, He explained a lot of what was going on. A lot of the choices being made regarding NCAA/freestyle were his choices, meaning his father was also probably heavily involved. And he did kick the tires on the freestyle scene Won US Open in 2019, teching Vito along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemonster Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 2:03 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Because his knees were hurt. He did an interview with Bader a few months back, He explained a lot of what was going on. A lot of the choices being made regarding NCAA/freestyle were his choices, meaning his father was also probably heavily involved. And he did kick the tires on the freestyle scene Won US Open in 2019, teching Vito along the way. Expand I forgot about that and just watched the match where he beat Nato, then his interview... 1:45 mark. Seems like he left it all up to Tom and Terry. Q: How much international wrestling will you do? Spencer: As much as I'm told to do Q: You have no idea? Spencer: Nope! Q: Who's calling those shots? Spencer: Tom and Terry Brands! https://www.flowrestling.org/events/6570901-2019-senior-nationals-us-olympic-trials-qualifier/videos?playing=6626648 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 2:29 PM, pokemonster said: I forgot about that and just watched the match where he beat Nato, then his interview... 1:45 mark. Seems like he left it all up to Tom and Terry. Q: How much international wrestling will you do? Spencer: As much as I'm told to do Q: You have no idea? Spencer: Nope! Q: Who's calling those shots? Spencer: Tom and Terry Brands! https://www.flowrestling.org/events/6570901-2019-senior-nationals-us-olympic-trials-qualifier/videos?playing=6626648 Expand Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 So it looks like Zain and Spencer punched their tickets. We have a full FS team in the Olys. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 5:09 PM, mspart said: So it looks like Zain and Spencer punched their tickets. Expand Welcome back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 Yeah, I missed out over the weekend. I meant to follow but got busy with other things. Can any of you give the latest on how GR and WFS did? I know GR will not have a full team. What about WFS? mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 6:10 PM, mspart said: Yeah, I missed out over the weekend. I meant to follow but got busy with other things. Can any of you give the latest on how GR and WFS did? I know GR will not have a full team. What about WFS? mspart Expand I believe WFS was 6 for 6 prior I don't think we qualified anyone at LCQ Bey fell one match short so I think we have 3 guys, but someone should fact check me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 We have full MFS. I think we have full WFS as I don't see any US entrants in last chance (but I could be wrong and didn't see it). It looks like we have heaviest 3 weights for GR. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 6:20 PM, mspart said: We have full MFS. I think we have full WFS as I don't see any US entrants in last chance (but I could be wrong and didn't see it). It looks like we have heaviest 3 weights for GR. mspart Expand 6-WFS 6-MFS 3-GR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu1979 Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 11:01 AM, maligned said: No college kid or college coach thinks this way. Not practically anyway. They may value medals in their minds, but they won't change college schedules or training programs or redshirts to adapt to prioritizing a freestyle career except in very rare cases. (i.e. Trials minus Vito, minus Carr, minus O'Toole, injured/limited Starocci--even in an Olympic year) Expand That is not true - both Yianni and Vito ORS in 2020 as did Dayton Fix - their focus was on Olympic gold. Alirez did that this year. Jon Trenge ORS back in 2004. Many schools will work with their athletes to do whatever the athlete thinks will help them achieve their goals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted May 13, 2024 Author Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 6:52 PM, lu1979 said: That is not true - both Yianni and Vito ORS in 2020 as did Dayton Fix - their focus was on Olympic gold. Alirez did that this year. Jon Trenge ORS back in 2004. Many schools will work with their athletes to do whatever the athlete thinks will help them achieve their goals. Expand You're right that many of those qualified will take ORS's--but that feels like standard operating procedure. But I feel like non-standard moves like taking a 2nd olympic year off if it comes up, taking big chunks of time away from the college season to prioritize freestyle events and prep, or choosing a college weight that prioritizes non-college results are all the exception rather than the norm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 In the instance of Yianni,Vito,Daton,Alirez all of them were top 2-3 at the weight at the time of their red shirt. You could argue Alirez but having teched Aliyev over the summer I think he knew at that point he had a real shot at making the team. I believe in all of these guys cases as well they never red-shirted (aside from daton) with ivy's not allowing it outside of an olympic and I believe Alirez started right away. So in that sense they were just leveling the playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crotalus Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 8:46 PM, Truzzcat said: In the instance of Yianni,Vito,Daton,Alirez all of them were top 2-3 at the weight at the time of their red shirt. You could argue Alirez but having teched Aliyev over the summer I think he knew at that point he had a real shot at making the team. I believe in all of these guys cases as well they never red-shirted (aside from daton) with ivy's not allowing it outside of an olympic and I believe Alirez started right away. So in that sense they were just leveling the playing field.These guys had a legitimate shot, but it seems most of the guys take an ORS just to get another year of training while preserving a year of eligibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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