Jimmy Cinnabon Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Ok State has just vaulted back to the top of the pyramid by hiring DT. I think Iowa could get right back in the game with a few hires: Head coach: Jordan Burroughs Associate head coach: J'den Cox Associate head coach: James Green Yes, this means firing the Brands but replacing them with the GOAT in JB and Olympic and World medalists in Cox and Green. Any reason why Iowa shouldn't do this? 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgaveMaria Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) Add up all the time these three have between them as Coaches and you will find it measured in weeks(or maybe even just days?), not years. Edited May 8 by AgaveMaria ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 Just now, AgaveMaria said: Add up all the time these three have between them as Coaches and you will find it measured in weeks(or maybe even just days?), not years. So what? John Smith and David Taylor had 0 coaching experience before getting hired as HC of Oklahoma State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgaveMaria Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: So what? John Smith and David Taylor had 0 coaching experience before getting hired as HC of Oklahoma State. Very few great wrestlers go on to become great coaches. A lot more to running a College program than a great resume on the mat. ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex1fly Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 They should skip all of these safe hires and just have the Ferrari clan run the team. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa morales Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 A.J.'s father knows more about Italian restaurants in Yonkers than anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smsu150 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 hours ago, AgaveMaria said: Very few great wrestlers go on to become great coaches. A lot more to running a College program than a great resume on the mat. Cael Sanderson Dan Gable Both considered the best wrestlers of their era. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 hours ago, alex1fly said: They should skip all of these safe hires and just have the Ferrari clan run the team. Change the mascot also; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 hours ago, AgaveMaria said: Very few great wrestlers go on to become great coaches. A lot more to running a College program than a great resume on the mat. Yeah, not so sure about that. In Wrestling, more than any other sport, Great Coaches...we're usually great Wrestlers. It's not a guarantee, but Burroughs? I'd bet on him. I think it's a stupid thread(that's a given)...but not a stupid idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 9 minutes ago, Smsu150 said: Cael Sanderson Dan Gable Both considered the best wrestlers of their era. And in between them, John Smith, the best of his. David Taylor, is arguably the best of his. And it's arguable because we've had so much success, you could easily say JB or Snyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) The hawk environment needs someone who is a bit of a dick, has reached the top of the sport, and has enough salt to handle the hawkeye media when they get over their skiis. Jordan burroughs is a great idea. He is as salty as anyone, and would bring immediate relevance to the program that extends outside of the state of Iowa. The number of people nationwide who hear “brands” and think “woah!” has gone down probably 80% in the past ten years. To compete against Cael or DT you need a coach who is truly a gift to be in the room with everyday from the wrestler’s perspective. Jordan is the only guy left like that in the country. Snyder obviously has the mat skills, but he’s too soft spoken. Edited May 8 by wrestle87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feet2back Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Kerry McCoy was an Olympian and might have been the worst coach in D1 history...Being great on the mat does not always lead to being a great coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 When people bring up the athlete/coach debate, i feel like it grinds to halt once you acknowledge that 1) Being a great athlete doesn't guarantee you being a great coach 2) being a great wrestler correlates with coaching quality, 3) being a bad wrestler definitely doesn't correlate with being good coach. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMW Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 47 minutes ago, scourge165 said: And in between them, John Smith, the best of his. David Taylor, is arguably the best of his. And it's arguable because we've had so much success, you could easily say JB or Snyder. DT beats Dake in another (fantasy) match up, this one as the best wrestler of his generation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 10 minutes ago, feet2back said: Kerry McCoy was an Olympian and might have been the worst coach in D1 history...Being great on the mat does not always lead to being a great coach Did anyone say always? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 11 minutes ago, wrestle87 said: The hawk environment needs someone who is a bit of a dick, has reached the top of the sport, and has enough salt to handle the hawkeye media when they get over their skiis. You think @Jimmy Cinnabon can do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingshoe Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 You see more non-great in their sport coaches in Basketball and Football at the highest level (some never having competed in the sport even). Doesn't work in wrestling. Wrestling is such a feel sport that you can't just teach Xs and Os. Now, being the best wrestler isn't necessary, but having some level of success is. And, as proven by the 3 best coach-wrestler combos (Gable, Smith, Sanderson) they have a feel for the sport that can't be read in a book and can only be taught by show and feel (and they have amazing mental side to relate to athletes as well). They can both show proper movement, proper execution, and can give the correct feel and pressure when working directly with athletes. I was talking with a retired professional football player recently and I told him that the difference between coaching football and wrestling is, wrestling coaches actually wrestle with heir athletes. Football coaches give instructions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 39 minutes ago, feet2back said: Kerry McCoy was an Olympian and might have been the worst coach in D1 history...Being great on the mat does not always lead to being a great coach And who said it did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingshoe Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 51 minutes ago, feet2back said: Kerry McCoy was an Olympian and might have been the worst coach in D1 history...Being great on the mat does not always lead to being a great coach It does not guarantee being a great coach, but without some level of success on the mat, you will be severely hampered as a wrestling coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smsu150 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Did anyone say always? No one said always. Kerry McCoy did a pretty good job at Stanford. That was not the case at Maryland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgaveMaria Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 "You see more non-great in their sport coaches in Basketball and Football at the highest level (some never having competed in the sport even). Doesn't work in wrestling." ---------------------- Ed Gallagher, Oklahoma A&M (now OSU). In his wrestling coaching career at Oklahoma A&M, his teams went 136–5–4, including 19 undefeated seasons and 11 NCAA titles. ------------------- On the other hand we have Kevin Jackson. Hell on wheels on the mat. A great one but didn't make it as a head coach. Mark Schultz is another, though his school quit on the team so we never quite got to see what he could really do as a coach. Overall, being a wrestler who then coaches is an advantage. Given that, it is the intangibles that matter as we have seen in the true greats as they work with their kids. ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingshoe Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 5 hours ago, AgaveMaria said: "You see more non-great in their sport coaches in Basketball and Football at the highest level (some never having competed in the sport even). Doesn't work in wrestling." ---------------------- Ed Gallagher, Oklahoma A&M (now OSU). In his wrestling coaching career at Oklahoma A&M, his teams went 136–5–4, including 19 undefeated seasons and 11 NCAA titles. Nice history lesson. Don't think that's possible (even a modicum of that success) in modern day wrestling (last 40-50 years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 for the love of everything holy..... STOP talking about JB and J'den coaching in college. there's is nothing a wrestling fan can do to immediately signify 'i have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about' 1 1 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 hours ago, Husker_Du said: for the love of everything holy..... STOP talking about JB and J'den coaching in college. there's is nothing a wrestling fan can do to immediately signify 'i have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about' @ihaveabsolutelynoideawhati'mtalkingabout That'd be a good username if it weren't for the fact that @Wrestleknownothing would sue for copyright infringement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paboom Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 I've been saying for years that Tom should move Terry to the RTC, dump Morningstar and Telford and hire from the outside. Telford makes absolutely no sense. He can really only work with the heavies. Ideally you want someone who competed at 174-197. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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