Iowa should hire these 3 coaches

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Ok State has just vaulted back to the top of the pyramid by hiring DT.

I think Iowa could get right back in the game with a few hires:

Head coach: Jordan Burroughs

Associate head coach: J'den Cox

Associate head coach: James Green

 

Yes, this means firing the Brands but replacing them with the GOAT in JB and Olympic and World medalists in Cox and Green.  Any reason why Iowa shouldn't do this?

[AgaveMaria]

Add up all the time these three have between them as Coaches and you will find it measured in weeks(or maybe even just days?), not years.

 

Edited May 8, 2024 by AgaveMaria

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Just now, AgaveMaria said:

Add up all the time these three have between them as Coaches and you will find it measured in weeks(or maybe even just days?), not years.

 

So what?  John Smith and David Taylor had 0 coaching experience before getting hired as HC of Oklahoma State.

[AgaveMaria]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

So what?  John Smith and David Taylor had 0 coaching experience before getting hired as HC of Oklahoma State.

Very few great wrestlers go on to become great coaches. A lot more to running a College program than a great resume on the mat.

[alex1fly]

They should skip all of these safe hires and just have the Ferrari clan run the team. 

[lisa morales]

A.J.'s father knows more about Italian restaurants in Yonkers than anyone.

[Smsu150]

3 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

Very few great wrestlers go on to become great coaches. A lot more to running a College program than a great resume on the mat.

Cael Sanderson

Dan Gable

Both considered the best wrestlers of their era. 

[scourge165]

3 hours ago, alex1fly said:

They should skip all of these safe hires and just have the Ferrari clan run the team. 

Change the mascot also;

[scourge165]

3 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

Very few great wrestlers go on to become great coaches. A lot more to running a College program than a great resume on the mat.

Yeah, not so sure about that. In Wrestling, more than any other sport, Great Coaches...we're usually great Wrestlers.

It's not a guarantee, but Burroughs? I'd bet on him. 

I think it's a stupid thread(that's a given)...but not a stupid idea.

 

[scourge165]

9 minutes ago, Smsu150 said:

Cael Sanderson

Dan Gable

Both considered the best wrestlers of their era. 

And in between them, John Smith, the best of his.

David Taylor, is arguably the best of his. And it's arguable because we've had so much success, you could easily say JB or Snyder.

[wrestle87]

The hawk environment needs someone who is a bit of a dick, has reached the top of the sport, and has enough salt to handle the hawkeye media when they get over their skiis.

Jordan burroughs is a great idea.  He is as salty as anyone, and would bring immediate relevance to the program that extends outside of the state of Iowa.  The number of people nationwide who hear “brands” and think “woah!” has gone down probably 80% in the past ten years.  To compete against Cael or DT you need a coach who is truly a gift to be in the room with everyday from the wrestler’s perspective.  Jordan is the only guy left like that in the country.

Snyder obviously has the mat skills, but he’s too soft spoken.

Edited May 8, 2024 by wrestle87

[feet2back]

Kerry McCoy was an Olympian and might have been the worst coach in D1 history...Being great on the mat does not always lead to being a great coach 

[Hammerlock3]

When people bring up the athlete/coach debate, i feel like it grinds to halt once you acknowledge that 1) Being a great athlete doesn't guarantee you being a great coach 2) being a great wrestler correlates with coaching quality, 3) being a bad wrestler definitely doesn't correlate with being good coach.

[OMW]

47 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

And in between them, John Smith, the best of his.

David Taylor, is arguably the best of his. And it's arguable because we've had so much success, you could easily say JB or Snyder.

DT beats Dake in another (fantasy) match up, this one as the best wrestler of his generation.

[Wrestleknownothing]

10 minutes ago, feet2back said:

Kerry McCoy was an Olympian and might have been the worst coach in D1 history...Being great on the mat does not always lead to being a great coach 

Did anyone say always?

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

The hawk environment needs someone who is a bit of a dick, has reached the top of the sport, and has enough salt to handle the hawkeye media when they get over their skiis.

You think @Jimmy Cinnabon can do it? 

[wrestlingshoe]

You see more non-great in their sport coaches in Basketball and Football at the highest level (some never having competed in the sport even).  Doesn't work in wrestling.  Wrestling is such a feel sport that you can't just teach Xs and Os. Now, being the best wrestler isn't necessary, but having some level of success is.  And, as proven by the 3 best coach-wrestler combos (Gable, Smith, Sanderson) they have a feel for the sport that can't be read in a book and can only be taught by show and feel (and they have amazing mental side to relate to athletes as well).  They can both show proper movement, proper execution, and can give the correct feel and pressure when working directly with athletes.  I was talking with a retired professional football player recently and I told him that the difference between coaching football and wrestling is, wrestling coaches actually wrestle with heir athletes.  Football coaches give instructions. 

[scourge165]

39 minutes ago, feet2back said:

Kerry McCoy was an Olympian and might have been the worst coach in D1 history...Being great on the mat does not always lead to being a great coach 

And who said it did?

[wrestlingshoe]

51 minutes ago, feet2back said:

Kerry McCoy was an Olympian and might have been the worst coach in D1 history...Being great on the mat does not always lead to being a great coach 

It does not guarantee being a great coach, but without some level of success on the mat, you will be severely hampered as a wrestling coach. 

[Smsu150]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Did anyone say always?

No one said always.  Kerry McCoy did a pretty good job at Stanford.  That was not the case at Maryland. 

[AgaveMaria]

"You see more non-great in their sport coaches in Basketball and Football at the highest level (some never having competed in the sport even).  Doesn't work in wrestling."

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Ed Gallagher, Oklahoma A&M (now OSU).

In his wrestling coaching career at Oklahoma A&M, his teams went 136–5–4, including 19 undefeated seasons and 11 NCAA titles.

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On the other hand we have Kevin Jackson. Hell on wheels on the mat. A great one but didn't make it as a head coach. Mark Schultz is another, though his school quit on the team so we never quite got to see what he could really do as a coach.

Overall, being a wrestler who then coaches is an advantage. Given that, it is the intangibles that matter as we have seen in the true greats as they work with their kids.

 

[wrestlingshoe]

5 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

"You see more non-great in their sport coaches in Basketball and Football at the highest level (some never having competed in the sport even).  Doesn't work in wrestling."

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Ed Gallagher, Oklahoma A&M (now OSU).

In his wrestling coaching career at Oklahoma A&M, his teams went 136–5–4, including 19 undefeated seasons and 11 NCAA titles.

 

 

Nice history lesson. Don't think that's possible (even a modicum of that success) in modern day wrestling (last 40-50 years). 

[Husker_Du]

for the love of everything holy.....

STOP talking about JB and J'den coaching in college.

there's is nothing a wrestling fan can do to immediately signify 'i have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about' 

[ionel]

7 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

for the love of everything holy.....

STOP talking about JB and J'den coaching in college.

there's is nothing a wrestling fan can do to immediately signify 'i have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about' 

@ihaveabsolutelynoideawhati'mtalkingabout

That'd be a good username if it weren't for the fact that @Wrestleknownothing would sue for copyright infringement.  

[paboom]

I've been saying for years that Tom should move Terry to the RTC, dump Morningstar and Telford and hire from the outside.

Telford makes absolutely no sense.  He can really only work with the heavies.  Ideally you want someone who competed at 174-197.