"don't" ...

[Offthemat]

  On 4/14/2024 at 2:42 AM, uncle bernard said:

they can go after hamas all they want. they can’t do that by bombing indiscriminately and killing thousands of women and children. 

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It’s Hamas that kills women and children.  It’s what’s meant by “Death to Israel, Death to America, Death to Everyone Who Doesn’t Worship As I Do.”

[Threadkilla]

  On 4/14/2024 at 2:24 AM, uncle bernard said:

yes. does that give them the right to do wrong in return? that’s toddler morality.

I suppose you think the Sioux should establish an ethnostate in the Dakotas and sequester the current white inhabitants into open air prisons under military siege? After all, we committed a genocide against them and it was their land until only a couple hundred years ago (as opposed to 2000 years). 

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You're analogy sucks.  It was who's land? 

[uncle bernard]

  On 4/14/2024 at 3:05 AM, Threadkilla said:

Your analogy sucks.  It was whose land? 

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native americans. they certainly lived on it longer and far more recently than israeli jews. if you think european jews had a right to return and take land in israel, you better also believe the same about native americans. 

[uncle bernard]

  On 4/14/2024 at 2:45 AM, Scouts Honor said:

if only isreal would stop attacking hospitals right?

you mean, where hamas is hiding people and weapons.

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israel’s raided (and destroyed) all the hospitals in gaza they claimed to have the secret hamas headquarters. still haven’t found it. killed a ton of civilians in the process though!

[Husker_Du]

  On 4/14/2024 at 2:24 AM, uncle bernard said:

yes. does that give them the right to do wrong in return? that’s toddler morality.

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1) wrong in return? you know how this started. 10/7

2) you really want to walk down the 'morality' path? like, as in, the entire region is muslim fundamentalist terror groups surrounding a pea-sized Jewish enclave? 

so, like, muslim fundamentalist terror morality, errrrrr....? 

[Husker_Du]

  On 4/14/2024 at 3:45 AM, uncle bernard said:

 if you think european jews had a right to return and take land in israel...

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a right?

they were in the midst of genocide and there was a world resolution to give them a plot of land to not be persecuted. that was israel.

you're a f*cking scumbag. and bad at history. 

[ionel]

"International world leaders collectively condemned Iran's drone and missile attacks on Israel, calling for peace in the Middle East."

but not uncle bernie  

[Husker_Du]

uncle bernie is a cliche. everything that's bad in the world is rooted in white people from USA, RUS, and ISR.

it's very lazy and easily refuted. 

[Scouts Honor]

  On 4/14/2024 at 4:49 AM, Husker_Du said:

1) wrong in return? you know how this started. 10/7

2) you really want to walk down the 'morality' path? like, as in, the entire region is muslim fundamentalist terror groups surrounding a pea-sized Jewish enclave? 

so, like, muslim fundamentalist terror morality, errrrrr....? 

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to be fair, it started in the late 40's

[Offthemat]

Now Biden can tell Israel “Whatever you do, don’t aim that next missile at khameni’s bedroom window.  Don’t.”

[Paul158]

  On 4/14/2024 at 4:52 PM, Offthemat said:

Now Biden can tell Israel “Whatever you do, don’t aim that next missile at khameni’s bedroom window.  Don’t.”

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If joe would just do that soft whisper, (Don't) he would be more intimidating to these thugs. They would surely just run and hide if he would just WHISPER his threats.

[uncle bernard]

  On 4/14/2024 at 4:52 AM, Husker_Du said:

a right?

they were in the midst of genocide and there was a world resolution to give them a plot of land to not be persecuted. that was israel.

you're a f*cking scumbag. and bad at history. 

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“midst of a genocide” “world resolution” “and bad at history” 

the holocaust had been over for years before the Nakba. the balfour declaration happened in 1917 (that’s pre-holocaust if you don’t know) as a result of the british taking control of the land from the ottoman empire. the british gov saw giving the jews a homeland as a convenient way of importing friendly white europeans into a hostile colonial state.

and it wasn’t a “world resolution.” it was done by the British government. one of the biggest issues with the whole thing is that there was little input from “the world” unless you think the world only means europe and not anywhere that isn’t western/white.

britain relinquishing control of the territory to the jewish settlers it had been importing for 30 years was done as reparation for the holocaust and due to their diminished ability to maintain a global empire after fighting two world wars. and that’s not my problem either! i think anybody has the right to live wherever they want. i don’t think you can do it by violently displacing the people who already lived there. jews have every right to return to their holy land. but so do the palestinians they displaced.

the whole project was doomed from the start by the behavior of the first settlers, colonial powers, (and yes) the palestinian locals. the british gov gave israel control of land without properly including the land’s current inhabitants in the process. people whose families had lived in the same house for hundreds of years were told they had leave. people resisted as people always do when their home is under threat. the resulting turmoil resulted in the displacement of 750,000 Palestinians (on top of those who lost their homes in the original declaration) and doomed any prospect of Israel ever being at peace. 

“bad at history” lmao

I’d say your only understanding of this issue comes from reading the wikipedia page, but i think you’re too lazy to even do that!

Edited April 15, 2024 by uncle bernard

[uncle bernard]

  On 4/14/2024 at 3:08 PM, Scouts Honor said:

to be fair, it started in the late 40's

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he knows nothing about the issue that he didn’t read in a tweet (and that tweet was probably from someone who knows even less than him).

at least you seem to know the basic events. you just disagree on the decisions made. 

[ionel]

What is the carbon footprint of Biden's "don't" policy?  "Climate Change" is global correct?  What's the climate impact of two years of war in Ukraine?  What's the impact of all the Iranian drones and all the Israeli. RAF and US launched resources to shoot down the drones and missiles. Tanks and jets are burning diesel/jetA correct?  How does this compare to any savings from Bidens coal/diesel based EV, propane, gas to electric stove, electric semi etc initiatives?  

[uncle bernard]

  On 4/14/2024 at 5:15 AM, ionel said:

"International world leaders collectively condemned Iran's drone and missile attacks on Israel, calling for peace in the Middle East."

but not uncle bernie  

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i condemn it as strongly as i condemn israel’s embassy strike. 

[Offthemat]

  On 4/15/2024 at 3:09 PM, uncle bernard said:

i condemn it as strongly as i condemn israel’s embassy strike. 

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Iran doesn’t call it an embassy strike, but you do.  

[braves121]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:24 PM, Offthemat said:

Iran doesn’t call it an embassy strike, but you do.  

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What does Iran call the attack on their consulate?

[Offthemat]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:37 PM, braves121 said:

What does Iran call the attack on their consulate?

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They don’t call it an embassy; they have tried to call it a consulate, but otherwise have acknowledged that it had no diplomatic status.

[braves121]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:51 PM, Offthemat said:

They don’t call it an embassy; they have tried to call it a consulate, but otherwise have acknowledged that it had no diplomatic status.

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Are you sure about that? Is there any source backing this up? A quick google search shows Syria's own Foreign Minister attending the opening of the building

[Offthemat]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:57 PM, braves121 said:

Are you sure about that? Is there any source backing this up? A quick google search shows Syria's own Foreign Minister attending the opening of the building

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Uncle ben raden calls it an embassy, it’s other where described as a consulate annex building.  Not an embassy, not a consulate, but an annex building. 

[braves121]

  On 4/15/2024 at 5:13 PM, Offthemat said:

Uncle ben raden calls it an embassy, it’s other where described as a consulate annex building.  Not an embassy, not a consulate, but an annex building. 

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The building that was struck was the consulate building adjacent to the embassy. Where has Iran come out and stated this is not a diplomatic building like you are claiming?

[uncle bernard]

  On 4/15/2024 at 4:24 PM, Offthemat said:

Iran doesn’t call it an embassy strike, but you do.  

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calling it an assassination of two iranian generals in a sovereign country doesn’t really change anything buddy. what point do you think you’re making?

and if israel has the right to assassinate generals of a country that they accuse of funding hamas, why doesn’t that country have the same right to respond to a direct attack on their citizens? maybe both things are bad and make the world worse? crazy thought. 

[Offthemat]

  On 4/15/2024 at 8:10 PM, uncle bernard said:

calling it an assassination of two iranian generals in a sovereign country doesn’t really change anything buddy. what point do you think you’re making?

and if israel has the right to assassinate generals of a country that they accuse of funding hamas, why doesn’t that country have the same right to respond to a direct attack on their citizens? maybe both things are bad and make the world worse? crazy thought. 

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Is it a crazy thought that being the leading coordinator for terrorist attacks on Israel does not come with a long life expectancy?

[Lipdrag]

Which "don't" are we discussing?

Biden's "don't" to Iran telling them not to get involved nor to let their proxies get involved in Hamas/Israel kerfuffle?  Iran ignored that within minutes.

Biden's "don't" to Israel telling them not to retaliate against Iran's missile barrage?

Or one of Obama's famous "don't" diplomacy declarations?

I don't know which don't is the topic of the discussion.

[uncle bernard]

  On 4/15/2024 at 8:30 PM, Offthemat said:

Is it a crazy thought that being the leading coordinator for terrorist attacks on Israel does not come with a long life expectancy?

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US generals also work with proxies to attack iran/iranian proxies. i suppose you think they should be able to assassinate our generals if they want right?