flyingcement Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 On 4/16/2024 at 7:52 AM, fishbane said: Retirement Press conference - this was a really great press conference honestly. I thought it was worth a listen. John's a captivating speaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 11 hours ago, Gus said: Mastrogiovanni thing. I know about the first one, what happened to these dudes? Did they all just decide to run that zoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 6 hours ago, wrestle87 said: I know about the first one, what happened to these dudes? Did they all just decide to run that zoo? The larger (174) one ended up at Northern Colorado. Went 11-4 officially, 13-5 unofficially. Wasn't their starter, which was weird because the actual starter went 6-10 on the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 7 hours ago, wrestle87 said: I know about the first one, what happened to these dudes? Did they all just decide to run that zoo? I have no insider information but I wonder if they were "asked" to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie_Pat Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 hours ago, Gus said: I have no insider information but I wonder if they were "asked" to leave. It is my understanding that Trevor, the one who now runs a zoo was cutting a lot of weight to make 125 and just couldn't do the cut anymore. He had zero energy on the mat and it showed. He had a lot of soild wins and if he could of held the weight he probably would be an AA by now. Travis on the other hand (the younger one) left because he wasn't going to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 It's pretty clear smith stayed until Fix graduated. Truly the GOAT internationally and one of the greatest coaches ever. People can argue if he stayed too long but he's still one of the greatest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 hours ago, Formally140 said: It's pretty clear smith stayed until Fix graduated. Truly the GOAT internationally and one of the greatest coaches ever. People can argue if he stayed too long but he's still one of the greatest. If a wrestler wants to know how to win six world championships in a row, where else is there to go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingFan89 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 On 4/17/2024 at 2:39 PM, fishbane said: Yeah is he the youngest D1 head coach? I mostly stuck to the top 15 or so teams. Mike Poeta (Illinois, Illinois 2009) wrestled at the 2012 Olympic Trials. Angel Escobedo (Indiana, Indiana 2010) wrestled at the 2012 Olympic Trials. Chris Pendleton (Oregon State, OSU 2005) was the runner up in the challenge tournament in 2012. Matt Valenti (Penn, Penn 2007) was also at the 2012 Olympic Trials losing to Scott in the semis. I think all retired soon thereafter. Obe Blanc made the world team in 2013. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 6 hours ago, WrestlingFan89 said: Obe Blanc made the world team in 2013. Escobedo wrestled at worlds at 57kg in 2013. Looks like Blanc and Escobedo wrestled at the trials in 2016, so he's another one high school recruits may have seen wrestle live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex1fly Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 On 4/17/2024 at 8:14 PM, Okie_Pat said: Kaid Brock had a laundry list of injuries and decided to hang ‘em up, Gfeller had serious off the mat issues but eventually straightened up, came back and cut 45 lbs in about 2 months to start. Marstellar got kicked off the team for being an idiot. There have been some program issues that John has brushed under the rug for a while but that has changed dramatically the last few years. Exactly. Some guys didn't improve but there are guys on each roster that did. Preston Weigel and Derek White were both on Kaid Brock's team and those guys went from nothing to the NCAA finals. The reason I want a new coach is so OSU can have someone driving the ship that is genuinely on board with new paradigms in the sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 On 4/17/2024 at 8:14 PM, Okie_Pat said: Kaid Brock had a laundry list of injuries and decided to hang ‘em up, Gfeller had serious off the mat issues but eventually straightened up, came back and cut 45 lbs in about 2 months to start. Marstellar got kicked off the team for being an idiot. There have been some program issues that John has brushed under the rug for a while but that has changed dramatically the last few years. I didn't like how he handled his boy Joe and Chandler Rogers either, I'll be honest. That issue hurt the team and screwed over Rogers to benefit his own kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex1fly Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 minute ago, NM1965 said: I didn't like how he handled his boy Joe and Chandler Rogers either, I'll be honest. That issue hurt the team and screwed over Rogers to benefit his own kid. That was a screwy deal for sure. I don't think John did it to help his kid... Joe had higher scoring potential at NCAAs and won the ranking match. Chandler was exciting and a pinning threat always but not an All American threat, while Joe at his peak was a 2x AA and hanging within a point of Mark Hall. However Joe didn't certify at the weight to start the season, so you can definitely argue that there should not have been a late season ranking match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 minutes ago, alex1fly said: That was a screwy deal for sure. I don't think John did it to help his kid... Joe had higher scoring potential at NCAAs and won the ranking match. Chandler was exciting and a pinning threat always but not an All American threat, while Joe at his peak was a 2x AA and hanging within a point of Mark Hall. However Joe didn't certify at the weight to start the season, so you can definitely argue that there should not have been a late season ranking match. As I recall the main issue was seeding. Rogers had essentially sewed up a top 10 seed at NCAAs, but Joe didn't have enough matches to get a decent seed (RPI issues because he barely wrestled that year), so as I recall Joe had to wrestle the #1 seed at NCAAs in the first round. Granted, Rogers wasn't really a title threat, but he'd have gotten a decent seed at NCAAs and had a good shot at placing. Thanks to Joe's seed Joe basically had no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boconnell Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 5 minutes ago, NM1965 said: As I recall the main issue was seeding. Rogers had essentially sewed up a top 10 seed at NCAAs, but Joe didn't have enough matches to get a decent seed (RPI issues because he barely wrestled that year), so as I recall Joe had to wrestle the #1 seed at NCAAs in the first round. Granted, Rogers wasn't really a title threat, but he'd have gotten a decent seed at NCAAs and had a good shot at placing. Thanks to Joe's seed Joe basically had no chance. Yep. The seeding was an issue. But the heavier half of the team went up in weight when Weigel got hurt. When Weigel came back in January there were no good decisions. He could have not allowed Weigel to come back, not let Nolan Boyd drop, not let Jacobe Smith drop, not let Joe Smith drop, or let them all go the weight they want and have a wrestle off. I think the decision that got made resulted in fewer points for the team, but I don't think it was even slightly unfair. I think the best lineup for the team probably squeezes out Boyd which would have been even more brutal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, boconnell said: I think the best lineup for the team probably squeezes out Boyd which would have been even more brutal. Brutal? Nah, Blasphemy! Boyd was a model Cowboy. Sit the kid who didn't want to be there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 6 hours ago, jackwebster said: Brutal? Nah, Blasphemy! Boyd was a model Cowboy. Sit the kid who didn't want to be there. That would've been Joe. Poor kid had HEW something awful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Is the fact that Scott hasn’t been named HC yet a bad sign for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyYe2024 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 10 hours ago, 1032004 said: Is the fact that Scott hasn’t been named HC yet a bad sign for him? The are probably going to interview Popolizio, Pendleton and Branch. The coaching tree is so big they are probably going to test their options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 5 minutes ago, CowboyYe2024 said: The are probably going to interview Popolizio, Pendleton and Branch. It's Scott's job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, CowboyYe2024 said: The are probably going to interview Popolizio, Pendleton and Branch. The coaching tree is so big they are probably going to test their options. Nah ... they would've talked to them same time as Scott. Branch once could've been, not now. Pop obviously likes the east coast. Pendleton just doesn't have enough years at head coach, 2-4 more ... could've been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, MPhillips said: It's Scott's job... If it was a done deal I would’ve thought they only would’ve waited like a week, but just speculating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 9 minutes ago, 1032004 said: If it was a done deal I would’ve thought they only would’ve waited like a week, but just speculating Universities have procedures to follow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 17 minutes ago, ionel said: Universities have procedures to follow. Does OK state have more procedures than Cornell? Looks like it took them about a day to promote Grey when Koll left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 30 minutes ago, 1032004 said: If it was a done deal I would’ve thought they only would’ve waited like a week, but just speculating There's an application process. You know this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 17 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Does OK state have more procedures than Cornell? Looks like it took them about a day to promote Grey when Koll left They can be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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