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[Husker_Du]

On 4/11/2024 at 12:09 PM, ThreePointTakedown said:

Off the top of your head. What are the different things that need to be figured out before moving from one side of a state, say California, to the other? Lets say you had a child between 2 and 5 or between 5 and 17.

Lets try to list the areas of concern(this is by no means an exhaustive list):

Where to move, town/city which area is best most affordable best schools, job prospects

house or apartment

rent or buy

Rent: what do we need, what can we afford, need to fill out applications, put down deposits, pet or no pet, do we rent now, is there a penalty for leaving early, do we still need to pay out the rest of our lease

Buy: where, how much, set up financing, put down an offer, offer accepted(far from a lock today), set up closing, sign paperwork, wait for however long before the sellers move out, can take months, do I own my house now, need to sell it, put it on the market, how long can we afford to wait for it to sell, 

Do I/we have job prospects there?

Apply online, maybe interview online(if it’s a restaurant job, that might not be possible until you arrive in person, that might add some stress to the move)

Do we have family that can help cover costs or offer a place to stay while we settle?

School

Daycare; cost, location, availability,

Public school: enrollment, what paperwork needs to be filled out, can it be done online? Transfer records/grades/classes

Private school: if this is an option, reach out to start the process, pay the app fee, get accepted, pay the tuition

*I have a feeling your first instinct will be to poke holes into each area that a restaurant employee might(and that is going to carry a lot of weight I imagine) not typically fall within. But the point is its not as easy as you might want it to be to make your suggestion possible. *

The move:

Moving our stuff, by car or by truck. Can we afford a truck on a restaurant employee salary. Move furniture and appliances or sell them to raise money and save on moving cost. 

Will we be able to move right in to wherever we have found to live? Will we need to stay in a hotel/motel to transition to a new place?

Now lets imagine its to another state. What other things might we need to consider now that the move has gone from, say 100-200 miles, to 500+, how to arrange all these things while working a fast food job and trying desperately to feed your family and better your situation.

While these obstacles can be overcome. It does take quite a bit of time and energy to check all the boxes off the list before confidently making a decision so momentous for your family. This task is made that much more herculean with fewer resources to pull from. As might be the case of someone you suggested to ‘just move’ as an employee of a fast food restaurant making, up until recently, $15.50/hour.

Seems as if your comment, ‘just move’ is overlooking all the things that actually go into moving. Especially if you have a family, even a small one. You’ll probably come back with, what you think is a funny quip that renders my point moot, while also not addressing the gaping holes in your idea.

I know using the word ‘privilege’ sends you into a white-hot rage so I doubt you’re even reading anymore if you’ve made it this far in the first place. But that your first thought/suggestion is something so myopic and ignorant yet not at all surprising coming from you in your place of PRIVILEGE!

Other issue

Math:

59 stores at $15.50/hour with, let’s say 30 full time employees = $57,064,800 in yearly wages alone

68 stores at $20/hour = $99,008000, nearly double

From a corporate perspective, that would be a lot of the bottom that needs to be made up by just 8 or 9 stores. By making those cuts you save $40m+ in wages alone, not to mention maintenance of 8 or 9 buildings. Maybe you lose out on 4/17s of previous year’s profit but if its as much or less than $44m, you’ve just increased your profits from having to pay people more for the same job. Execs don’t need to take a pay cut and probably get bonuses. Investors get their checks. Its win/win for everyone except for the 240-270 people that now don’t have a job. Upside, they can just move.

not a lot of action in the snow removal business right now, huh?

damn climate change. 

[Offthemat]

[ThreePointTakedown]

On 4/12/2024 at 4:47 PM, Offthemat said:

This is a recurring problem that you incur.  There’s a whole lot more to the story than what wiki reveals, although it does note that the plan that was enacted was not the same as Brownback proposed.  I was listening to Kansas radio near daily during that time and there were lots of shenanigans involved, most egregiously by the teachers union.  Then there was the lament of many that by the time they changed it, the situation was starting to resemble what had been predicted.  
 

And Kansas is a wonderland for bird and deer hunters. 

Are you saying that if opponents of the plan/strategy would've just held their noses and went along with it, they would've come to the realization that it was a good idea in the long run? 

[Offthemat]

4 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Are you saying that if opponents of the plan/strategy would've just held their noses and went along with it, they would've come to the realization that it was a good idea in the long run? 

It was an attempt to inform you that many people recognize when you use an example for something it’s not an example of.

[ThreePointTakedown]

On 4/12/2024 at 9:41 AM, JimmyBT said:

What movie star did I talk about?  Make sure you’re talking to the right person as you’ve confused yourself……. Again

I guess I assumed, perhaps mistakenly, that you read the post about Sly Stallone. That was who I was referencing. If you were unaware, apparently, they have announced they're departing from California to Florida.  For what reason, I cannot say. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

It was an attempt to inform you that many people recognize when you use an example for something it’s not an example of.

What point was I trying to make in your opinion? 

I just offered the situation and asked for someone's opinion. What are your qualms with asking someone to comment on a situation? 

Edited April 15 by ThreePointTakedown

[JimmyBT]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

I guess I assumed, perhaps mistakenly, that you read the post about Sly Stallone. That was who I was referencing. If you were unaware, apparently, they have announced they're departing from California to Florida.  For what reason, I cannot say. 

You made a point to say it was me. You were wrong.  Again. 

[Offthemat]

5 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

What point was I trying to make in your opinion? 

I just offered the situation and asked for someone's opinion. What are your qualms with asking someone to comment on a situation? 

How do you pay your student loans?

[ThreePointTakedown]

On 4/12/2024 at 9:32 AM, ThreePointTakedown said:

Well, the one example that you know is true is a fantastically wealthy movie star. But as you said before, you will believe what you want, because its comforting, until it is proven otherwise. 

So tell me, since you've chosen to ignore and denigrate someone for not sharing your opinion or having contributed to the forum enough, why should anyone take you seriously considering you don't really care about things being true in the first place(see above)? 

 

16 hours ago, JimmyBT said:

You made a point to say it was me. You were wrong.  Again. 

Did I? Nope. Was I? Nope. 

What I made reference to you saying is that you will believe something until it is proven to be untrue. Which as we all know is the hallmark of a deep and thorough thinker. Quite measured in their reason and intelligibility.  

I appealed to your relentlessly meticulous nature of reading every word of every post. Thoughtfully digesting and crafty a well reasoned response. But if you need a win so badly, because you get so few. I guess that's on me. I'll chose my words more carefully so as not to be so wildly misinterpreted as is your default setting. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

13 hours ago, Offthemat said:

How do you pay your student loans?

All paid off, every cent. 

[JimmyBT]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

Did I? Nope. Was I? Nope. 

What I made reference to you saying is that you will believe something until it is proven to be untrue. Which as we all know is the hallmark of a deep and thorough thinker. Quite measured in their reason and intelligibility.  

I appealed to your relentlessly meticulous nature of reading every word of every post. Thoughtfully digesting and crafty a well reasoned response. But if you need a win so badly, because you get so few. I guess that's on me. I'll chose my words more carefully so as not to be so wildly misinterpreted as is your default setting. 

Did you? Yep.  Were you? Yep.  Oh and Good luck with that.  You fail a lot 

Edited April 16 by JimmyBT

[Bigbrog]

2 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

All paid off, every cent. 

You are showing your privilege

[Offthemat]

7 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

All paid off, every cent. 

You should consider seeking reimbursement. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

1 minute ago, Offthemat said:

You should consider seeking reimbursement. 

Nah, I'm happy to contribute. 

Wasn't much either. 

I was one of the lucky ones. 

[JimmyBT]

So you used your privilege even though you didn’t need to.  Someone else with no head start got screwed because of you.  Hypocrite 

[ThreePointTakedown]

35 minutes ago, JimmyBT said:

So you used your privilege even though you didn’t need to.  Someone else with no head start got screwed because of you.  Hypocrite 

Nope. That's not how that works. Try again. 

[JimmyBT]

5 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Nope. That's not how that works. Try again. 

So you’re saying you have no privilege?  

[JimmyBT]

After complaining about others using it a certain person is now dishing out the clown emoji.  Priceless. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

8 minutes ago, JimmyBT said:

So you’re saying you have no privilege?  

Admitting I was lucky enough to have the privilege does not make me a hypocrite. Its the O2 mask scenario. I made something of myself with hard work, luck, and help from others. Now I'm helping others put on their masks so they have the opportunity that I was afforded. 

Thank you for allowing me to clarify that. 

You can go back to yelling at clouds. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

1 minute ago, JimmyBT said:

After complaining about others using it a certain person is now dishing out the clown emoji.  Priceless. 

The tears of the vanquished are the sweetest of all. 

[JimmyBT]

1 minute ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

The tears of the vanquished are the sweetest of all. 

Yes they are !!!!  Bahahahahahahahah. 

[JimmyBT]

2 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Admitting I was lucky enough to have the privilege does not make me a hypocrite. Its the O2 mask scenario. I made something of myself with hard work, luck, and help from others. Now I'm helping others put on their masks so they have the opportunity that I was afforded. 

Thank you for allowing me to clarify that. 

You can go back to yelling at clouds. 

You’re finally admitting it. Before you were just “lucky”. Thx. 

[JimmyBT]

It’s ok to use your privilege when it suits you huh? Admitting it doesn’t mean shit.  You still used it.  You knowingly did it while others are being oppressed.  Welcome to the bigot brigade. 

Edited April 17 by JimmyBT

[JimmyBT]

TPT:  you didn’t use any facts

Others : shows him the facts 

TPT: but what’s your opinion

Others : I showed you the facts which is what’s happening

TPT: see I knew you wouldn’t give your opinion. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

4 hours ago, JimmyBT said:

You’re finally admitting it. Before you were just “lucky”. Thx. 

Please explain the difference? When you can't/won't because there is no difference, I'll accept your defeat and 6-8 oz of tears. Sweet sweet tears!