Dogbone Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Chamizo will be going to the Last Chance Qualifier. He claims its due to corruption. Sure seems like a bad call to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 at first glance it appears time runs out when the guys knees were still up and watching 3 more times... it should have been waved off. no screw job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 33 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: at first glance it appears time runs out when the guys knees were still up and watching 3 more times... it should have been waved off. no screw job Yeah what is the specific rule here? I know their knee (just one right?) needs to be down. It appears his knee might hit but it’s before Chamizo gets behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 yeah, i think the guy comes up to hands and feet before he is around... and then after it hits 0 goes down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Even prior to the final sequence that I think was certainly a takedown the ref blew two likely takedowns dead because of cautions. Obviously the event taking place in Azerbaijan and it being a wrestler from that nation makes things even murkier. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Rotundo Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Looks like a TD with time left. Chamizo turns the corner, knee down, time on clock. Matt official calls 2. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 This is one of those that if the call on the mat was a Takedown, it needs to stay a Takedown. If it wasn't a Takedown it needs to remain not a Takedown. Unless there is some sort of other evidence that we can obviously not see (which I imagine there is), then I see no way that either call could have been overturned with 'no reasonable doubt' being the criteria. So yes, it appears Chamizo was absolutely pegged. 1 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 12 hours ago, Truzzcat said: Even prior to the final sequence that I think was certainly a takedown the ref blew two likely takedowns dead because of cautions. Obviously the event taking place in Azerbaijan and it being a wrestler from that nation makes things even murkier. Isn't there a history with this happening in Azerbaijan, like more than in other places? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 20 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Isn't there a history with this happening in Azerbaijan, like more than in other places? I think that Kolat wrestled an Azerbaijani in one of his infamous screw jobs where he had to re-wrestle the match, or they retroactively gave him a loss after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 4 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: I think that Kolat wrestled an Azerbaijani in one of his infamous screw jobs where he had to re-wrestle the match, or they retroactively gave him a loss after the match. OK... I just realized I was thinking of the wrong former Soviet republic anyway! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Looked like he was jobbed. Luckily we have 74kg qualified. I wonder what the OGLCQ field is looking like at that weight. This might be Chamizo's last Olympic cycle, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of the Quakers Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) I mentioned this in my Twitter feed over the weekend... This seems to me like a good old-fashioned hometown call from the best and worst days of FILA. We saw many of these in the 90s when tie bouts would go to a referee's decision after nine minutes. That being said, I was stunned the referee initially awarded to the TD against Bayramov in the first place - if he waits a beat, then the officials could've more plausibly "confirmed" the no call after video review. Including this Chamizo-Baymarov match, Azerbaijan qualifying their remaining five FS weights at their home tourney should be best described as...unusually coincidental. Edited April 9 by Voice of the Quakers 1 1 Dan McDonald, Penn '93 danmc167@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 That was mighty close but Chamizo has played with fire for the entirety of his career and with Father Time banging on his door it caught up to him last weekend. He needs to come out with zest at last chance or he's going to be watching on Peacock with the rest of us 2 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I believe he will have to watch it on Pavone in Italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/39919940/wrestler-says-rejected-300k-bribe-throw-match-lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 12 hours ago, 1032004 said: They must have thought he still represented Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublehalf Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Call me naive but I think it's nuts this is going on in our sport but on second thought with a country like AZE, and the more blatant corruption in that part of the world, it shouldn't surprise me. Just shitty that he didn't get the $300k anyhow after they literally stole that match from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 10 minutes ago, Doublehalf said: Call me naive but I think it's nuts this is going on in our sport but on second thought with a country like AZE, and the more blatant corruption in that part of the world, it shouldn't surprise me. Just shitty that he didn't get the $300k anyhow after they literally stole that match from him. At this point it is just alleged. I would not be surprised if it was real, but I would not take Chamizo's word as gospel either. I assume there will an investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 This is bananas. Just wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 4/8/2024 at 7:27 PM, Scouts Honor said: at first glance it appears time runs out when the guys knees were still up and watching 3 more times... it should have been waved off. no screw job you need to watch the entire full minute. the fix was clearly in. no idea why they didn't award the clear takedown earlier. confirmed by on mat official and first judge. third guy called them over (no challenge) and holds up the white paddle. inexplicable. UWW should overturn this and issue bans. you're also wrong about the final call anyway. no reaction time in freestyle. knee is down with chamizo fully behind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 i disagree. the OP showed the video... and i answered. if he thought the full minute was part of it..should have posted it. the guys knee is coming up as chamizo comes around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Hard to see definitively given the lighting but when the commentator started saying one knee down (during the replay) then said right knee down, the right knee looked slightly up to me. On a different note- the actual clock and the graphic clock were 0.1 seconds different. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) On 4/8/2024 at 3:59 PM, Dogbone said: Chamizo will be going to the Last Chance Qualifier. He claims its due to corruption. Sure seems like a bad call to me. looks like a takedown here with .5 seconds left. There is no way the right knee is off the mat. Edited April 13 by Fadzaev2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 official for this bout has suspended I wonder if Chamizo gets given the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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