JimmyBT Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-sound-alarm-on-rfk-jr-and-new-running-mate-shanahan/ar-BB1kEaqj?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=97a8a0a3261b46fea1246c3ac7651957&ei=15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 A weird situation in general. Kennedy's politics are all over the place but have shifted rightward throughout this process. His biggest donor is also Donald Trump's biggest donor. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rfk-donations-timothy-mellon-fec-1872315 Trump has reacted on his own social platforms, acting as if he was outraged, but it felt more like he was trying to position RFK as the spoiler against Biden, similar to the strategy Dems ran in several places the last couple of election cycles, most recently with Schiff and Garvey in California. Basically going on and on about how leftist and liberal RFK is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, VakAttack said: Basically going on and on about how leftist and liberal RFK is. Well he is so ... we wouldn't want him to lie about it now would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, ionel said: Well he is so ... we wouldn't want him to lie about it now would we? Again, if you've listened to him talk over the last year or so, he's shifted many of his opinions rightward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, VakAttack said: Again, if you've listened to him talk over the last year or so, he's shifted many of his opinions rightward. He's is still a leftist and liberal. Just because I moved 50 miles to the west doesn't mean I'm now an Idahoian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 13 minutes ago, ionel said: He's is still a leftist and liberal. Just because I moved 50 miles to the west doesn't mean I'm now an Idahoian. Liberals are often brought in to speak at CPAC events. And they're notoriously big on national abortion plans. He still holds some liberal positions, but on Many he ha shifted to outright conservative positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Liberals are often brought in to speak at CPAC events. And they're notoriously big on national abortion plans. He still holds some liberal positions, but on Many he ha shifted to outright conservative positions. Name some. Also go back and listen to JFK's last speech. Democrats today would throw anyone who said such out of the party. Even Bill Clinton was a conservative by today's Dem standards. He was a fiscal conservative and his social policies were way to the right of his party today. Edited March 29 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, VakAttack said: A weird situation in general. Kennedy's politics are all over the place but have shifted rightward throughout this process. His biggest donor is also Donald Trump's biggest donor. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rfk-donations-timothy-mellon-fec-1872315 Trump has reacted on his own social platforms, acting as if he was outraged, but it felt more like he was trying to position RFK as the spoiler against Biden, similar to the strategy Dems ran in several places the last couple of election cycles, most recently with Schiff and Garvey in California. Basically going on and on about how leftist and liberal RFK is. Weird indeed. His relationship with his own family is rather interesting. I do think he has moved a tad bit to the right but IMO the image he has moved that way is stronger because of his Covid jab stance. I can see him taking votes from both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I’m not at all sure he’s moved right. I think he’s about where he’s always been and the dim party has moved kook left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 This ^ mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 19 hours ago, ionel said: Name some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 Covid jabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 in today's U.S., anything this side of insanity makes you a right winger. 3 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyhoyle Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 RFK does have a big draw in that Trump was extremely pro vaccine while he was president and also didn’t stop states from locking down during Covid. So for those who view that as an important issue, he’s very appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripnsweep Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I'm surprised it wasn't a Kardashian or maybe even Kid Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 Either would be better than the current clown VP Kamel Toe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) On 3/29/2024 at 6:04 PM, ionel said: I already named one in the post you quoted to make your original point: he's voiced support for a national abortion ban. He's also spoken out against gun control. He's also got his vaccination positions which have been mentioned, but to be fair those aren't shifts, he's long been an anti-vaxxer. His pro-Russian position during their current invasion of Ukraine. To the geniuses posting about how positions now for the parties are different than they were 5, 10, 20 years ago, no crap. That's politics. The current Republican nominee is literally telling people who voted for his opponent he doesn't want them and he's going to run those people out of the party, when they were the mainstream Republicans just 10 years ago. I see nobody has touched on the fact that the biggest donor for Trump and for RFK is ETA: Also, there's no ducking; I just usually take a break from posting right after NCAAs (or try to). Edited April 1 by VakAttack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, VakAttack said: I already named one in the post you quoted to make your original point: he's voiced support for a national abortion ban. He's also spoken out against gun control. He's also got his vaccination positions which have been mentioned, but to be fair those aren't shifts, he's long been an anti-vaxxer. His pro-Russian position during their current invasion of Ukraine. To the geniuses posting about how positions now for the parties are different than they were 5, 10, 20 years ago, no crap. That's politics. The current Republican nominee is literally telling people who voted for his opponent he doesn't want them and he's going to run those people out of the party, when they were the mainstream Republicans just 10 years ago. I re-read the post i quoted, didn't see any reference to positions where RFK Jr moved right. You now mention national abortion ban, the Kennedys have always professed to be Catholic, the Catholic Church is against abortion so when did he move on this issue. Against gun control, 2nd ammendment issue, when was he for gun control (against 2nd ammendment) but then moved to opposing gun control (supporting 2nd ammendment)? Is he anti-vaxer or just against the covid required vaccination? How is this a right vs left issue if its science based? Is for science right wing? But again when did his position change on vaccination? The right isn't pro Russian so how is this moving right to be for Russian? I'd say is more crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyhoyle Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 4 hours ago, ionel said: I re-read the post i quoted, didn't see any reference to positions where RFK Jr moved right. You now mention national abortion ban, the Kennedys have always professed to be Catholic, the Catholic Church is against abortion so when did he move on this issue. Against gun control, 2nd ammendment issue, when was he for gun control (against 2nd ammendment) but then moved to opposing gun control (supporting 2nd ammendment)? Is he anti-vaxer or just against the covid required vaccination? How is this a right vs left issue if its science based? Is for science right wing? But again when did his position change on vaccination? The right isn't pro Russian so how is this moving right to be for Russian? I'd say is more crazy. Kennedy has always been anti-vax and that can appeal to people both on the right and on the left. A lot of people are afraid of needles and really hate when the government is telling them that they have to get shots. In comparison, Trump and Biden are both pro vaccine (Trump pushed the development of the Covid vaccine faster than what is typical for drug development (and to great effect), and Biden was hugely influential in the incredibly fast rollout of both the Pfizer and Modern vaccines in the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 5 minutes ago, billyhoyle said: Kennedy has always been anti-vax and that can appeal to people both on the right and on the left. And thus he did not move to the right on this issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4273138-rfk-jr-robert-f-kennedy-jr-independent-conservative-donald-trump-2024/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 10 hours ago, ionel said: And thus he did not move to the right on this issue. Whether he’s moved or not he’s perceived that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 hours ago, JimmyBT said: Whether he’s moved or not he’s perceived that way Bet that wins a lot of legal cases. Prosecutor: "I perceive that your client is guilty therefore case closed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 2 minutes ago, ionel said: Bet that wins a lot of legal cases. Prosecutor: "I perceive that your client is guilty therefore case closed." Because there’s a legality to running for President and being perceived as leaning a certain way? Derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 4 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: Because there’s a legality to running for President and being perceived as leaning a certain way? Derp As far as any can tell (at least none have provided evidence) his party has moved further left, he has not changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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