Winners Circle Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 First Iowa State out-places Iowa at NCAA's, then today Carter Pearson (Super 32 AA, IA 3A State Champ) commits to ISU despite the Sebolt connection to Iowa. Is it officially a Cyclone state?!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 both solid programs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creek chub Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Every program Dresser touches improves immensely. He took a small high school in Grundy, VA (coal country) and turned it into a decade long state championship team. Then went to Christiansburg high school just outside of Blacksburg and turned into a nationally ranked program. Then took VT from a near last place team finish at NCAA’s to a trophy team. Now he’s got the cyclones clicking on all cylinders 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red viking Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Long ways from that right now. Maybe if they can consistently beat the PA Hawkeyes in dual meets. Until then, not really much of a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, creek chub said: Every program Dresser touches improves immensely. He took a small high school in Grundy, VA (coal country) and turned it into a decade long state championship team. Then went to Christiansburg high school just outside of Blacksburg and turned into a nationally ranked program. Then took VT from a near last place team finish at NCAA’s to a trophy team. Now he’s got the cyclones clicking on all cylinders So true. And he's a huge cash cow . Also, worth adding those Grundy teams were legit. I think a couple of those Grundy teams were as good and if not better than any of Cburgs best teams. From top to bottom.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, red viking said: Long ways from that right now. Maybe if they can consistently beat the PA Hawkeyes in dual meets. Until then, not really much of a discussion. I think you'd have a hard time convincing anyone not a Hawkeye fan that it's even a discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarSeries Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 So what we're thinking is Brands is going to be replaced by Dresser, right?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, BarSeries said: So what we're thinking is Brands is going to be replaced by Dresser, right?? No. But I do think changes are on the horizon in Iowa City. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I hear they are willing to throw round serious serious portal money right now... 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 9 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: I hear they are willing to throw round serious serious portal money right now... Problem with that is, who in the portal is an upgrade over what they have? Hamiti is the best in the portal and he didn't AA, even though I'd say he is equal to Caliendo. McGonagle is an upgrade over either 133/141, but he's never AA'd. Not sure Alvarez is that much of an upgrade over Rathjen. Is Kraisser an upgrade over Cobe? I don't think so. I'm sure there will be more guys hit the portal. But, I see it being hard for them to even take second with a roster based on this year's portal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Problem with that is, who in the portal is an upgrade over what they have? Hamiti is the best in the portal and he didn't AA, even though I'd say he is equal to Caliendo. McGonagle is an upgrade over either 133/141, but he's never AA'd. Not sure Alvarez is that much of an upgrade over Rathjen. Is Kraisser an upgrade over Cobe? I don't think so. I'm sure there will be more guys hit the portal. But, I see it being hard for them to even take second with a roster based on this year's portal. they people mentioned in this discussion aren't in the portal yet....hamiti was in the portal about 7 seconds before committing, almost as if he knew in advance. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 (edited) 1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said: they people mentioned in this discussion aren't in the portal yet....hamiti was in the portal about 7 seconds before committing, almost as if he knew in advance. @Hammerlock3 Edited March 27 by Winners Circle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Lol no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragu Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, red viking said: Long ways from that right now. Maybe if they can consistently beat the PA Hawkeyes in dual meets. Until then, not really much of a discussion. Do dual meet results hold that much weight? No. Its the end of the season that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 19 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: @Hammerlock3 Rumors from pretty good sources, no "inside knowledge." I know that's uselessly vague but if I only dealt in facts I wouldn't post on here. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 10 minutes ago, Ragu said: Do dual meet results hold that much weight? No. Its the end of the season that matters One year of outplacing them by 1.5 points without even winning a trophy over a mich depleted team isn't changing anything. In the context of where they were this season, the head to head dual is far more important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, VakAttack said: One year of outplacing them by 1.5 points without even winning a trophy over a mich depleted team isn't changing anything. In the context of where they were this season, the head to head dual is far more important. sounds right - but credit to Iowa State as it is not easy to chase an in state rival like Iowa wrestling. Both of these are strong national programs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO2 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 31 minutes ago, VakAttack said: One year of outplacing them by 1.5 points without even winning a trophy over a mich depleted team isn't changing anything. I agree. I'm not gonna look it up, but when was the last time ISU finished ahead of Iowa, 20, 25 years ago or more? Not saying this can't be the start of something, but don't jump the gun sparky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smsu150 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) For the old timers out there, were there people asking this question when Iowa Sate, led by a young Jim Gibbons, defeated Iowa at nationals a few times in the late 80's. Just saying, with only 1.5 separating the teams at nationals. It's a little early to ask the question. However, I think Dresser is a great coach and I'm glad to see this former traditional power having some success. Too bad they only gave out 3 trophies this year. Edited March 27 by Smsu150 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creek chub Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 If brands gets canned, the Hawkeyes will be interested in Dresser. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, creek chub said: If brands gets canned, the Hawkeyes will be interested in Dresser. Doubtful. They'd be looking younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLCarnegieTech_1969 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) I think it is... If I'm a blue chip kid and had a choice between Iowa and Iowa I would choose the better coaching staff. It seems the Cyclones (like Michigan and Illinois) have young and/or dynamic people as assistants or present in the program. I think Metcalf, St. John, Nate Carr and Schuyler (Grad Assistant), offer more than TNT and Morningstar. Illinois has Poeta, O'Connor, Martinez, Delgado and even Ed Ruth helping in the room. Michigan has Churella, Micic, Kevin Jackson helping Sean Bormet. If you notice, Bormet is out recruiting Iowa in Illinois because he is from there and offers more. Once the PA and Illinois pipelines to Iowa dry up the end is imminent. Edited March 27 by KLCarnegieTech_1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said: I think it is... If I'm a blue chip kid and had a choice between Iowa and Iowa I would choose the better coaching staff. It seems the Cyclones (like Michigan and Illinois) have young and/or dynamic people as assistants or present in the program. I think Metcalf, St. John, Nate Carr and Schuyler (Grad Assistant), offer more than TNT and Morningstar. Illinois has Poeta, O'Connor, Martinez, Delgado and even Ed Ruth helping in the room. Michigan has Churella, Micic, Kevin Jackson helping Sean Bormet. If you notice, Bormet is out recruiting Iowa in Illinois because he is from there and offers more. Once the PA and Illinois pipelines to Iowa dry up the end is imminent. it's wonderful that you feel that way. It hasn't happened in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 24 minutes ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said: I think it is... If I'm a blue chip kid and had a choice between Iowa and Iowa I would choose the better coaching staff. It seems the Cyclones (like Michigan and Illinois) have young and/or dynamic people as assistants or present in the program. I think Metcalf, St. John, Nate Carr and Schuyler (Grad Assistant), offer more than TNT and Morningstar. Illinois has Poeta, O'Connor, Martinez, Delgado and even Ed Ruth helping in the room. Michigan has Churella, Micic, Kevin Jackson helping Sean Bormet. If you notice, Bormet is out recruiting Iowa in Illinois because he is from there and offers more. Once the PA and Illinois pipelines to Iowa dry up the end is imminent. its probably another thread, but I think Iowa and ISUs coaching staffs do a comparable job. ISU is seems more flexible and dynamic, Iowa is probably the best place for establishing a lot of basic areas, but they don't seem like they can sharpen the tip of the spear very well. I don't think michigan does anything particularly well. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said: I think it is... If I'm a blue chip kid and had a choice between Iowa and Iowa I would choose the better coaching staff. It seems the Cyclones (like Michigan and Illinois) have young and/or dynamic people as assistants or present in the program. I think Metcalf, St. John, Nate Carr and Schuyler (Grad Assistant), offer more than TNT and Morningstar. Illinois has Poeta, O'Connor, Martinez, Delgado and even Ed Ruth helping in the room. Michigan has Churella, Micic, Kevin Jackson helping Sean Bormet. If you notice, Bormet is out recruiting Iowa in Illinois because he is from there and offers more. Once the PA and Illinois pipelines to Iowa dry up the end is imminent. Brother you have some serious fact checking to do. Micic is not in Michigan and Ed Ruth is in the Balkans. Nate Carr is not in the room helping out. Illinois, apologies to our venerated blogger, has been hot trash for a while. They redshirted a ton this season but lets see how they are doing next year before we start speaking nicely about them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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