Who needs to compete at the last chance qualifier?

[Hammerlock3]

Big names who aren't qualified for the OTTs?

[CHROMEBIRD]

Just to rattle off some nice to see names: Ayala, Ramos, Crookham, Woods, Lovett, Ashnault, Deakin, Cenzo, IMar, Welsh, Beard, Moore, Davison

[SocraTease]

I heard (maybe wrongly) that qualified wrestlers have until March 25th to declare their intention to compete at Olympic Trials.    Is that correct?

If so, the Last Chance Qualifier isn't until something like April 6th and 7th.   Is there an accessible registration list for it.   Perhaps we might see a bunch of guys come out of the closet, so to speak, for it: IMAR, Cenzo, etc.

I'm looking forward to learning at what weight some of the "tweeners" (e.g., Retherford)  might go.

Edited March 24 by SocraTease

[bnwtwg]

People need to quit saying Imar unless they plan to see him at 97 and no one wants to see a 97kg Imar stuffed into a singlet...

[SocraTease]

It's a bit  of a strange stretch that 2018 and 2019 World Team members (in addition to 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 World Team members)) automatically qualify for 2024 Olympic Trials.   2018 was 6 long years ago for folks like Colon, Garrett, and Steiber (who should have to re-qualify if they want to compete ... and in the case of two of them, they likely do not).

Hmm.  I wonder if Dan Gable is still qualified

 I understand the idea of being inclusive but if you want to field the best team, then U23 medalists (and not just U23 World champions) should also qualify and maybe even U20 medalists (not just champions).  Both are international competitions unlike, say, Senior Nationals and could be more indicative of international success.

Perhaps they should also include runner-ups and even 3rd place finishers at NCAAs.   Yes, it's folkstyle not freestyle, but an increasing percentage of college and high school guys (and gals) compete in freestyle, and folkstyle is slowing moving toward some of the more freestyle rules.

My 2 1/2 cents

[misterchonger]

9 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

People need to quit saying Imar unless they plan to see him at 97 and no one wants to see a 97kg Imar stuffed into a singlet...

I don't know his current plans but I doubt we see him competitive again and that's a shame.  I felt Imar would have broken through if he would have stayed in it but he had some life changes and that's the way it goes sometimes.  His 2019 Final X series with JB was phenomenal. 

[Spladle08]

1 hour ago, misterchonger said:

I don't know his current plans but I doubt we see him competitive again and that's a shame.  I felt Imar would have broken through if he would have stayed in it but he had some life changes and that's the way it goes sometimes.  His 2019 Final X series with JB was phenomenal. 

Not to make this an IMAR thread. But I don't think he would've ever had enough to be consistently effective on the world stage. From gas tank issues, to being kind of one dimensional. His approach gave Americans a lot of issues but I don't think it was going to translate. Just another Nick Marable, better than I'll ever be, but had a ceiling. 
 

[bnwtwg]

In all seriousness, Imar stepped away because he tore his shoulder out twice. That's a competitive career death sentence for pretty much everyone. 

[Spladle08]

33 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

In all seriousness, Imar stepped away because he tore his shoulder out twice. That's a competitive career death sentence for pretty much everyone. 

My shoulder has been "tweaked" for years. Every-time I roll with HS kids, its just a matter of time before it goes "Screw you" and I'm useless. 
Can't imagine having that feeling when you have immense talent and are striving towards something meaningful. 
Unspectular end of a spectacular rassler

[CHROMEBIRD]

I thought IMar said earlier that he wasn't done, but I didn't know about his shoulder. That's tough. Also tough to catch shade from Cormier about your weight.

[Masonbuckeye]

On 3/24/2024 at 2:21 PM, CHROMEBIRD said:

Just to rattle off some nice to see names: Ayala, Ramos, Crookham, Woods, Lovett, Ashnault, Deakin, Cenzo, IMar, Welsh, Beard, Moore, Davison

IMar at 125 Kilos

[KCMO2]

What's going on with J'Den?  I haven't heard much about him for awhile.  Is he still in the picture?  A non-factor?  Done?

[CHROMEBIRD]

6 minutes ago, KCMO2 said:

What's going on with J'Den?  I haven't heard much about him for awhile.  Is he still in the picture?  A non-factor?  Done?

His name was mentioned during NCAAs at one of the ESPN broadcasts, someone said he's still training at Michigan/CK. He's qualified for trials but idk if anyone has said which weight he plans to go at

[MinnesotaMustang]

13 hours ago, Spladle08 said:

Not to make this an IMAR thread. But I don't think he would've ever had enough to be consistently effective on the world stage. From gas tank issues, to being kind of one dimensional. His approach gave Americans a lot of issues but I don't think it was going to translate. Just another Nick Marable, better than I'll ever be, but had a ceiling. 
 

Marable was a tweener. His ceiling was world champion. 
 

If you saw Imar this weekend, you’d know he has no plans of competing. Nothing against him, but he has clearly moved on. 
 

J’Den Cox will be at OTT. He was rolling with Davison at NCAA’s. My guess is 97kg. 

[ILLINIWrestlingBlog]

14 hours ago, Spladle08 said:

Not to make this an IMAR thread. But I don't think he would've ever had enough to be consistently effective on the world stage. From gas tank issues, to being kind of one dimensional. His approach gave Americans a lot of issues but I don't think it was going to translate. Just another Nick Marable, better than I'll ever be, but had a ceiling. 
 

Whoa, my heart screams in pain. IMAR only came within ten seconds of beating Jordan Burroughs in a best two-of-three series when Burroughs was un-Dakeable and completely non-Taylorable. 

Moreover, a good underhook series was enough for Yazdani to win Olympic and World Championship Gold.

 

[Truzzcat]

22 hours ago, SocraTease said:

It's a bit  of a strange stretch that 2018 and 2019 World Team members (in addition to 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 World Team members)) automatically qualify for 2024 Olympic Trials.   2018 was 6 long years ago for folks like Colon, Garrett, and Steiber (who should have to re-qualify if they want to compete ... and in the case of two of them, they likely do not).

Hmm.  I wonder if Dan Gable is still qualified

 I understand the idea of being inclusive but if you want to field the best team, then U23 medalists (and not just U23 World champions) should also qualify and maybe even U20 medalists (not just champions).  Both are international competitions unlike, say, Senior Nationals and could be more indicative of international success.

Perhaps they should also include runner-ups and even 3rd place finishers at NCAAs.   Yes, it's folkstyle not freestyle, but an increasing percentage of college and high school guys (and gals) compete in freestyle, and folkstyle is slowing moving toward some of the more freestyle rules.

My 2 1/2 cents

I think its crazy that if you win a age level silver/bronze you are not qualified. Perhaps not at u17's but for instance Jesse was not qualified until he won NCAA's because of his junior world silver.

[Spladle08]

9 hours ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said:

Whoa, my heart screams in pain. IMAR only came within ten seconds of beating Jordan Burroughs in a best two-of-three series when Burroughs was un-Dakeable and completely non-Taylorable. 

Moreover, a good underhook series was enough for Yazdani to win Olympic and World Championship Gold.

 

He was close to doing the unthinkable, but training to beat one guy tends to be different than training to beat the world (see. Marstellar).
I maintain, IMAR was a PHENOMENAL wrestler! 
Your name says it all, so I won't try to win a debate but..... no buts. 

Side note: Iranians learn an underhook series designed for freestyle success, like American's learn unnecessary motion. So Yaz = underhook basically applies to any Iranian who wins. But I get where you're going, sometimes being great at 1 thing is enough. Burroughs heck Cael, John Smith. They didn't have a lot but they had something unstoppable 



 

[Truzzcat]

Anthony Knox registered and Jax Forrest mentioned that he was hoping to wrestle in this after he beat Larkin at boarder brawl would be rather insane to have 2 high schoolers at the same weight (Lilledahl qualified by taking 5th at senior nats) and 3 in the tournament including mirasola.

[Hammerlock3]

On 3/25/2024 at 8:28 AM, bnwtwg said:

In all seriousness, Imar stepped away because he tore his shoulder out twice. That's a competitive career death sentence for pretty much everyone. 

Especially a jacked up guy like him, skinny guys seem to compensate better, and squatty guys are generally sturdier but its hard for them to heal.

[bnwtwg]

35 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Especially a jacked up guy like him, skinny guys seem to compensate better, and squatty guys are generally sturdier but its hard for them to heal.

Yeah very disappointing for his wrestling career. Hopefully he can adapt for his competitive eating journey. If anyone has the wherewithal to take down Joey Chestnut it is Inception Imar (an Imar within an Imar who ate Imar)

[Hammerlock3]

Just now, bnwtwg said:

Yeah very disappointing for his wrestling career. Hopefully he can adapt for his competitive eating journey. If anyone has the wherewithal to take down Joey Chestnut it is Inception Imar (an Imar within an Imar who ate Imar)

seen chris perry lately?

[bnwtwg]

Just now, Hammerlock3 said:

seen chris perry lately?

That's how he has always naturally looked. No on seems to grasp just *how much* Uncle John makes his guys cut. I mean look at Cormier - no seriously, how much he cut for the Olympics was indicative. And Dieringer instantly going up to 79 post OkSt. And Pendleton. And Hendricks even moved up from 165 in college to 185 for UFC which is closer to 205 day of.

OkSt redlines their weight management and it alters their lifestyles permanently when they get away.

[ILLINIWrestlingBlog]

If Lucas Byrd is healed, it would be cool for him to enter Greco at 60kg. But maybe he just wants to get/stay healthy? Oh lawdy he'd be such a TIGER out there. 

[SocraTease]

2024 Last Chance OTT Qualifier

Men's Freestyle

Weight	Name	State	Team
57 kg	William Girard	Pennsylvania
57 kg	Alex Gorton	Michigan
57 kg	Nathan Desmond	Pennsylvania
57 kg	Tyshawn White	Nebraska
57 kg	Devin Gomez	Colorado	Western Colorado Wrestling Club
57 kg	Killian Delaney	Pennsylvania	Lehigh Valley Wrestling Club
57 kg	Cael Nasdeo	Pennsylvania	Nittany Lion Wrestling Club
57 kg	Dalton Henderson	Virginia	Clinic Wrestling
57 kg	Devan Turner	Indiana	Indiana RTC
57 kg	Evan Tallmadge	New Jersey
57 kg	Brandon Courtney	Arizona	Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club
57 kg	Benyamin Kamali	Michigan	Olivet Wrestling Club
57 kg	Anthony Knox	New Jersey	Rhino Wrestling LLC
65 kg	Derek Guanajuato	Arizona	Tar Heel Wrestling Club
65 kg	Peyton Harris	Colorado	Western Colorado Wrestling Club
65 kg	Ruben Calderon	Texas	Paradigm Wrestling
65 kg	Pierson Manville	Pennsylvania
65 kg	Michael McGee	Illinois	Virginia Beach Regional Training Center
65 kg	Dayne Morton	Minnesota	West Coast Regional Training Center
65 kg	Mike VanBrill	New Jersey	Scarlet Knights Wrestling Club
65 kg	Anthony Ashnault	New Jersey	New York City RTC
65 kg	Joshua Koderhandt	Illinois	Navy Wrestling Club
65 kg	Matthew Kolodzik	New Jersey	New York Athletic Club
65 kg	Caleb Poche	Florida
74 kg	Joseph Sealey	Pennsylvania
74 kg	Evan Delong	Pennsylvania	Clarion RTC
74 kg	Grigor Cholakyan	California	Sunkist Kids Monster Garage
74 kg	Charlie Millard	Wisconsin	Askren Wrestling Academy
74 kg	Hassan Ajami	Michigan
74 kg	Jakob Bergeland	Minnesota	Gopher Wrestling Club - RTC
74 kg	Isaiah White	Illinois	Indiana RTC
74 kg	Nolan Liess	New York	X-Calibur Athletics Wrestling Club
74 kg	Vincenzo Joseph	Arizona	Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club
74 kg	Joshua Shields	Arizona	Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club
74 kg	Alek Martinez	Virginia	NOVA Wrestling Club
74 kg	Joseph DeMatteo	Washington
86 kg	Austin Hedrick	Illinois
86 kg	Alex Patton	Indiana
86 kg	Jason Carter	New Jersey	MontCo Wrestling Club
86 kg	Owen Webster	Minnesota	Gopher Wrestling Club - RTC
86 kg	Christian Louis	Georgia	Master Statesmen WC
86 kg	Andrew Morgan	New York	Navy Wrestling Club
86 kg	Alex Turley	Virginia	Cougar Wrestling Club
97 kg	Camden McDanel	Ohio
97 kg	Nick Williams	Arizona	North Valley RTC
97 kg	Cole Mirasola	Wisconsin	Askren Wrestling Academy
125 kg	Braden Homsey	North Carolina	Iron Wrestling Club
125 kg	Daniel Erekson	Idaho	Air Force Regional Training Center
125 kg	Keith Miley	Arkansas	Arkansas Regional Training Center
125 kg	Jordan Wood	Pennsylvania	New York Athletic Club

[Hammerlock3]

1 minute ago, bnwtwg said:

That's how he has always naturally looked. No on seems to grasp just *how much* Uncle John makes his guys cut. I mean look at Cormier - no seriously, how much he cut for the Olympics was indicative. And Dieringer instantly going up to 79 post OkSt. And Pendleton. And Hendricks even moved up from 165 in college to 185 for UFC which is closer to 205 day of.

OkSt redlines their weight management and it alters their lifestyles permanently when they get away.

theres something true to that but its not that simple.

Cormier was openly braggin about how much mcdonalds he was eating and how he was 30 pounds over weeks before he made weight and defauted at the olympics. I get that you can claim this behavior was the result of brain damage from cutting weight, but its also cormiers fault.

Dieringer competed at 74 kilos for awhile, and the suspicious part of his accent after that isn't related to an eating disorder. And you'd be hard pressed to make a case that he or hendricks were at the wrong weight in college.

Like I said there is something to it but its become a trope that just people just drop as if it was set in stone, when every instance has its own complexity.