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The no takedown call on for Kal Miler vs Bartlett The no stalling call against Fix

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In the arena, the one that got the most vocal reaction was the fastest stalemate call I've ever seen in Fix-Frost.  And the general beduddlement at Mekhi's "plan", which appears to have been 1. 

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That stalemate as super shady - Frost was advancing his position.  Forgot about that one

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  On 3/23/2024 at 3:25 AM, TampaRyley said:

Seeing a pin get overturned is one of the most egregious decisions I’ve seen. The video of it doesn’t help. At the very least it should’ve been a takedown and backs.

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Lewis kicked Coleman Scott I believe sitting in the chair on the next mat over.  Technically it is the right call to call that OOB.  I could have seen at least giving Pasiuk the TD though.

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The no TD for O'Toole in the first period against Carr. Not really an egregious call but perhaps the rules need a little clarification or adjustment (like after JO/Steiber). KOT had the leg hooked and was behind both arms with Carr just barely clinging on to a leg. At worst that was 99% of a TD. Like with the Dean Heil rule, we shouldn't be rewarding guys for being able to stalemate from a hugely disadvantaged situation.

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  On 3/22/2024 at 10:17 PM, ugarles said:

Thought the stall call against Shapiro in the third period against Cardenas was incredibly premature. It cost him, in the end because with a 3-1 lead and Cardenas holding RT a second stall call would lead to OT. Shapiro's attempt at a shot led to the go-behind that gave Cardenas the win. I think he survives getting his bell rung if he doesn't have the stall looming over him. (Especially when Cardenas spent the entire second period just laying on top of him without trying to turn or getting a stall on top though that also would have been a tetchy stall call).

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+1 What cost Shapiro was shooting sloppy at the end of the match while holding the lead.

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KOT came out hotter than normal at the start of the match and worked very hard for that no take down call.  I thought KOT was the better wrestler throughout.  It was a surreal sight, witnessing KOT break the spirit of CARR but ultimately succumb to the physical strain in the same moment.

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  On 3/23/2024 at 5:42 PM, 1032004 said:

Lewis kicked Coleman Scott I believe sitting in the chair on the next mat over.  Technically it is the right call to call that OOB.  I could have seen at least giving Pasiuk the TD though.

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Yeah you’re right, I was fired up last night watching it. Just rubs me the wrong way that it had no real impact on the outcome of the situation.

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The only answer here is Pasiuk.  That was so egregious.  That was the definition of "adults" getting in the way when something amazing happens.  Lewis had mailed it in, and Pasiuk was rolling.  

That rule also needs to be changed. The rule made sense 20 years ago when most wrestlers were angry and inflexible, but that has changed. 

Every dude in a D1 singlet come NCAA's can do a full split.  Wrestling mats for conferences and certainly the NCAA tournament need to be bigger for the now very plebeian defense of "do a split" defense.  The "oh no my foot's off the mat" defense is so commonplace that O'Toole got hit for stalling for extending his split a bit further to get off the mat.  

That to me, is a broken rule.  The "off the mat" rule is meant to protect wrestlers from injury, but if it is so available for manipulation that a ref views your foot LEAVING THE COMPETITION AREA as strategy, that needs to be fixed.  Make bigger mats.  

Or, do what jiujitsu does and return to the center in the same position you went out of bounds in.  That would be amazing.  Would totally defang the OB line.  "You got yourself into this position, go ahead and get yourself out of it".

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  On 3/23/2024 at 7:45 PM, wrestle87 said:

The only answer here is Pasiuk.  That was so egregious.  That was the definition of "adults" getting in the way when something amazing happens.  Lewis had mailed it in, and Pasiuk was rolling.  

That rule also needs to be changed. The rule made sense 20 years ago when most wrestlers were angry and inflexible, but that has changed. 

Every dude in a D1 singlet come NCAA's can do a full split.  Wrestling mats for conferences and certainly the NCAA tournament need to be bigger for the now very plebeian defense of "do a split" defense.  The "oh no my foot's off the mat" defense is so commonplace that O'Toole got hit for stalling for extending his split a bit further to get off the mat.  

That to me, is a broken rule.  The "off the mat" rule is meant to protect wrestlers from injury, but if it is so available for manipulation that a ref views your foot LEAVING THE COMPETITION AREA as strategy, that needs to be fixed.  Make bigger mats.  

Or, do what jiujitsu does and return to the center in the same position you went out of bounds in.  That would be amazing.  Would totally defang the OB line.  "You got yourself into this position, go ahead and get yourself out of it".

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Absolutely agree that we need bigger mats and that the rule gets manipulated by wrestlers, which is why guys get hit for stalling for doing it.

But it is the rule and it clearly wasn’t intentional in this case, so when it gets challenged you have to call it. 

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  On 3/23/2024 at 6:07 PM, Crotalus said:

The no TD for O'Toole in the first period against Carr. Not really an egregious call but perhaps the rules need a little clarification or adjustment (like after JO/Steiber). KOT had the leg hooked and was behind both arms with Carr just barely clinging on to a leg. At worst that was 99% of a TD. Like with the Dean Heil rule, we shouldn't be rewarding guys for being able to stalemate from a hugely disadvantaged situation.
 

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I also couldn’t understand why this wasn’t a takedown…behind both arms with a leg hooked, is that not a takedown anymore?

Agree that the rule should be adjusted if it’s not…attacking wrestler is in complete control in this position, defensive guy is just holding on for dear life there, poor incentive to reward the stalemate.

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  On 3/23/2024 at 8:05 PM, 1032004 said:

Absolutely agree that we need bigger mats and that the rule gets manipulated by wrestlers, which is why guys get hit for stalling for doing it.

But it is the rule and it clearly wasn’t intentional in this case, so when it gets challenged you have to call it. 

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Yeah, you're right, really what should have happened is the ref should have blown it dead as soon as mekhi's foot hit pendleton. 

I think one of the real brutal parts of it is the adrenaline dump it put Pasiuk through.  There's a major performance difference between the thrill of getting the pin called and celebrating vs having it blown dead as it goes out of bounds.  

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  On 3/23/2024 at 5:43 PM, 1032004 said:

Wait what happened with that?

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Ngaou was given 2 point danger and 3 point td. Asu challenges and gets the sequence reversed so the match is still 1 to 1. Cael challenges the challenge and the refs say oh sorry Mr cael we will undo what we have done and now give no danger but the td which essentially decides the match. 

 

I'm not even sure you can challenge a challenge unless you are PSU. But! I will eat crow if I'm wrong I already have some other crow to eat over this tourney.

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  On 3/23/2024 at 6:28 PM, CHROMEBIRD said:

I just couldn't believe KOT gassed. Very insightful comment from JB early in the match about recognizing your own strengths, with O'Toole being the better wrestler/scrambler and Carr being the better athlete/physically stronger.

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@jackwebster - you going to call out Burroughs?  Making sure you stay consistent.  

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