WrestlingFan89 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Can refs stop protecting this turd ball? Dude was probably born 7 months late. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Be nice to watch him wrestle some time.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 I mean...there are lots of rules that are in place to make it so refs can penalize him for his style. There have been maybe 3 wrestlers who have been able to penalize him for being plodding and patient. It's pretty clear that he must feel like he's made of wood. Every D1 wrestler is capable of pushing when they sense an opponent is vulnerable. There is a reason he doesn't get stalled out. Something about tying up with him scares his opponents enough that they decide it is better to play his game than to try to blow the doors of the match with pace. I agree it's not fun to watch. But aside from NCAA's, I'm never seen someone put incredible pace on him except for AOC in the NCAA tournament last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 7 hours ago, WrestlingFan89 said: Can refs stop protecting this turd ball? Dude was probably born 7 months late. Idk. He doesn't run. He walks right at the guy and wrestles with his hands. Yeah, he rarely commits to leg attacks and doesnt seem to force a short offence game plan. He is just supremely confident in his shot defense. (He was dead-to-rights 2x (5?) last night, and the guy didn't score.) I don't think this is stalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lleynor Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 As lame as it is to watch him, lack of offense doesn't equal stalling. He's basically waiting for re-attacks and sound defense. Kyle Dake may be a 4xer, but he wasn't really lighting up scoreboards when in college. By no means am I saying this guy is at Dake's level, but my point is sometimes winning is more than flashy offense. He's a 7seed in thr finals at the B10 Tourney. His NCAA seed is going to be good no matter his match today. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 17 minutes ago, Lleynor said: As lame as it is to watch him, lack of offense doesn't equal stalling. Actually it does. From the rulebook: “Each wrestler shall attempt to work toward the center of the mat and continue wrestling in an attempt to secure a takedown” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 6 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Actually it does. From the rulebook: “Each wrestler shall attempt to work toward the center of the mat and continue wrestling in an attempt to secure a takedown” We can agree that there are a variety of ways to secure a takedown, no? One way is to counter a leg attack. So if Lewan attempts to lure a guy into taking a shot so that he can counter, then he isn't stalling by this definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanMogen Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 6 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Actually it does. From the rulebook: “Each wrestler shall attempt to work toward the center of the mat and continue wrestling in an attempt to secure a takedown” If Sensei Lewan knows he has a far smaller chance of securing a takedown by shooting than he does by frustrating his opponent into a bad shot of his own, is he not attempting to secure a takedown by not shooting? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 10 minutes ago, jackwebster said: We can agree that there are a variety of ways to secure a takedown, no? One way is to counter a leg attack. So if Lewan attempts to lure a guy into taking a shot so that he can counter, then he isn't stalling by this definition. Waiting for the other guy to do something isn’t attempting to secure a takedown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 20 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Waiting for the other guy to do something isn’t attempting to secure a takedown This won't go anywhere, but I wouldnt say he is waiting. He is attempting to make the guy shoot. In my mind it's not that different from Desanto (?) attempting to make the guy give up inside control on the right side before scoring with the dump. You might say that he too was "waiting" for that monkey-grip tie before attempting a takedown. I don't think this is stalling. In fact, there were a lot of folks claiming that RBY was stalling because he didn't let Desanto lure him into that tie. So by some really twisted logic, you could argue that the guy not shooting on Lewan is the one stalling. Edited March 10 by jackwebster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2X B10 finalist, 2X AA. going for his third. All the whiners should go get a snack during 157. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanMogen Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 It isn’t Sifu Lewan’s problem that the other guy won’t engage on his terms. I’d say based on the current results it is decidedly the other guy’s problem. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 The only thing more boring to watch than Lewan is listening to him being interviewed. I'd have indulged in self-mutilation to make it stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nittany said: The only thing more boring to watch than Lewan is listening to him being interviewed. I'd have indulged in self-mutilation to make it stop. Perhaps he made a mental adjustment prior to the tournament propelling him into tonight’s finals. His interview was one of confidence and determination. I like this version of Lewan vs the previous version. Edited March 10 by Rassling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Kong Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 You have to make him wrestle. Deakin (I know, not everyone is Deakin), just used to ignore his "style" and attack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) In their post semi match interviews last nite Lewan and McKee both said things like 1. this year is different. 2. I now believe I will win. 3. I figured out the mental side of things... I guess we will find out. Edited March 10 by Pinnacle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 8 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: In their post semi match interviews last nite Lewan and McKee both said things like 1. this year is different. 2. I now believe I will win. 3. I figured out the mental side of things... I guess we will find out. Thumbs up to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) I checked Lewan's career record on wrestlestat. He has 5 falls in his career of over 126 matches. This year he's gotten more bonus points than any other year (22%!). The kid is basically a stallmaster. The vast majority of his career matches are 1 or 2 point affairs. He's got a career record of 91-35 and is a 2 time All American. He's wrestled Haines twice, the first time Haines beat him 3-1 SV1, and 2-1 this year. I guess Lewan is always within a takedown of winning, as painful as that is to realize Edited March 10 by NM1965 dumb grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3UC157 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Any match that ends 1-to-1 at regulation, the referee has not demanded appropriate action. At least hit both guys for stalling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 On 3/10/2024 at 9:44 AM, Threadkilla said: 2X B10 finalist, 2X AA. going for his third. All the whiners should go get a snack during 157. I commented that Lewan was going to wreck some brackets if his seed stayed above 8 and people thought he would fizzle out. This guy doesn't fizzle. He has like a 77% win rate in overtime in over 30 matches. His style is boring but he's hard to beat. He seemed a bit peeved and said he had haters in the interview. That made me chuckle! I wonder if others at his weight hate the dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB9 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Wish Mesenbrink was at 157, would LOVE to watch that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Will Lewan is a bit like Rudy Gobert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I've come around on Lewan. It's almost performance art at this point. Sure a 2-1 match isn't as exciting as a 14-13 match, but what about 5 consecutive? Do you know how hard it is to win five 1 TD or OT matches to win an NCAAs. That is not easy to do, even the great Cael Sanderson couldn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSULou64 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 3/10/2024 at 10:16 AM, jackwebster said: We can agree that there are a variety of ways to secure a takedown, no? One way is to counter a leg attack. So if Lewan attempts to lure a guy into taking a shot so that he can counter, then he isn't stalling by this definition. If your only offense comes off of another guys shot then I do think at some point you are stalling. Plus he hand fights, down blocks and doesn't maneuver for a shot of his own which would open his stance to shots, to the point he keeps other guys from shooting l. He's not the guy who wants you to get to a leg so he can scramble and score or cut the corner and score. At least if he was that kind of wrestler you could make the better argument he wasn't stalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 hours ago, MLB9 said: Wish Mesenbrink was at 157, would LOVE to watch that match. I consider Shapiro as similar if not exactly Mesenbrink. I think Shapiro gets Lewan twisted up and taken down due to his activity and pace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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