Wrestleknownothing Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 9 minutes ago, ugarles said: Does Starocci get a bye with the 1 seed (in a 14 team tournament) or are the byes randomly assigned? Lucky dog if you're a 14-seed getting a default and finding yourself a win away on top or bottom from one of 8 bids. Yes, #1 and #2 get the byes 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, creek chub said: I hope he’s 100% healthy and Lewis gets another crack at him The way Lewis wrestled him at the All Star match, he needs Starocci to be about %15 healthy to have a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, ugarles said: Does Starocci get a bye with the 1 seed (in a 14 team tournament) or are the byes randomly assigned? Lucky dog if you're a 14-seed getting a default and finding yourself a win away on top or bottom from one of 8 bids. One more thing I failed to mention. The #1 gets the #8/#9 winner in round 2, so whoever wins there gets a huge benefit if #1 injury defaults. And then the loser of #7/#10 (I believe) gets the #1 on the cosol side. So I think it is 7-10 that would benefit from a Starocci double default. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragit Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, creek chub said: I hope he’s 100% healthy and Lewis gets another crack at him Since I want Lewis to win I agree with eveything there except I'd substitute "80 or less" for "100." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: One more thing I failed to mention. The #1 gets the #8/#9 winner in round 2, so whoever wins there gets a huge benefit if #1 injury defaults. And then the loser of #7/#10 (I believe) gets the #1 on the cosol side. So I think it is 7-10 that would benefit from a Starocci double default. Wait a minute ... didn't you say no medical defaults but now we've got double defaults. Thought we now only have MF & ID. Speaking of injury defaults does he actually have to call injury time thus allowing his opponent to choose bottom? Does the trainer need to check him out after calling i time or we gonna just trust Cael on this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 13 minutes ago, ionel said: Wait a minute ... didn't you say no medical defaults but now we've got double defaults. Thought we now only have MF & ID. Speaking of injury defaults does he actually have to call injury time thus allowing his opponent to choose bottom? Does the trainer need to check him out after calling i time or we gonna just trust Cael on this? In Cael We Trust. Always. Have you learned nothing lo these past 14 years? 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creek chub Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, SocraTease said: The way Lewis wrestled him at the All Star match, he needs Starocci to be about %15 healthy to have a chance. That’s one data point, which was early in the season but a solid win nonetheless. The other data point was an OT win won by mere seconds of RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugarles Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, ionel said: Wait a minute ... didn't you say no medical defaults but now we've got double defaults. Thought we now only have MF & ID. Speaking of injury defaults does he actually have to call injury time thus allowing his opponent to choose bottom? Does the trainer need to check him out after calling i time or we gonna just trust Cael on this? a double default is two :01 injury defaults; one in the main bracket and the consolation. no forfeits. i don't think this should be allowed but it's not my call and my recollection that it would be disallowed has been shot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, ugarles said: a double default is two :01 injury defaults; one in the main bracket and the consolation. no forfeits. i don't think this should be allowed but it's not my call and my recollection that it would be disallowed has been shot down. I'm pretty sure its not in the rule book, Wkn is a sticker for rules & details. Let's hope Wkn convinces Carl not to try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 That's interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, Le duke said: That's interesting. He is probably fine and will win a title; however I know that I suffered an extremely mild hamstring injury the other day and I can walk fine- but there is no way I want to be wrestling. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheTurtle Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Nolf was on crutches for a while, so by comp Starocci looks good. Caveat: Looks can be deceiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Wouldn’t it be something he shows up healthy as an ox and competes right through the finals in dominating fashion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatlaz Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 All the wrestlers at the Big 10 tournament are going to double default so they don't take a chance in getting injured for NCAA. It's the new strategy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 6 hours ago, fatlaz said: All the wrestlers at the Big 10 tournament are going to double default so they don't take a chance in getting injured for NCAA. It's the new strategy. Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaRyley Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 This doesn’t sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, TampaRyley said: This doesn’t sound good. Nah it doesn't. Sounds like he really tore things up, and they just waited as long as possible to see if he'd be able to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 On 3/7/2024 at 6:56 PM, ionel said: I'm pretty sure its not in the rule book, Wkn is a sticker for rules & details. Let's hope Wkn convinces Carl not to try it. Actually doesn’t the rule now say there needs to be “actual wrestling” before injury defaulting? I don’t see that being enforced however, although I saw that a few injury defaults were 2 seconds instead of 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 He could be referring to NCAAs. I can’t imagine Cael would allow him to let the cat out of the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 17 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Actually doesn’t the rule now say there needs to be “actual wrestling” before injury defaulting? I don’t see that being enforced however, although I saw that a few injury defaults were 2 seconds instead of 1. I was on the NCAA zoom last week and this came up. The wording is you must participate. Technically defaults would suffice but what was brought up was that that doesn't mean the committee has to select you. They might well deem that you were showing that you weren't healthy enough to wrestle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Are you saying the committee may have already signaled that Starocci will not gain a berth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 16 minutes ago, headshuck said: Are you saying the committee may have already signaled that Starocci will not gain a berth? I’m sure Tom Brands was working on his power point presentation last night about why Starocci shouldn’t get an at large 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 39 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: I was on the NCAA zoom last week and this came up. The wording is you must participate. Technically defaults would suffice but what was brought up was that that doesn't mean the committee has to select you. They might well deem that you were showing that you weren't healthy enough to wrestle. Thanks. Courtesy of an old thread, here was the official wording https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/Apr2022D1MWR_AnnualReport.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, gimpeltf said: I was on the NCAA zoom last week and this came up. The wording is you must participate. Technically defaults would suffice but what was brought up was that that doesn't mean the committee has to select you. They might well deem that you were showing that you weren't healthy enough to wrestle. I wanted to give you a "thanks" above but we don't have em anymore so was thinking "like" ... not there. Thus I gave you a banana ... enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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