PSULou64 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 After watching a ton of matches this season i'd really like some clarification on top stalling. The NCAA clearly stated they would be more aggressive in calling it but for the life of me it seems to be arbitrarily called at best. Can a claw ride be anything but a ride? Can hips over hips with no bar, half, etc., be anything but a ride? As you have watched this season what are your thoughts? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanMogen Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I have no expectation that the brilliant minds of wrestling will have a good answer for you, but they’ll confidently post some kind of diarrhea anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 There’s been some inconsistency in how it’s called like all stalling calls, but overall I do think the rule change has resulted in more action from the mat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllegalFist2Back Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Good question. It isnt often that you see it called. It is too much of a judgement call. I would like to see it called consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, JuanMogen said: I have no expectation that the brilliant minds of wrestling will have a good answer for you, but they’ll confidently post some kind of diarrhea anyway. It's like you were staring in a mirror while you typed this. I can think of no one who posts as often as you who has less to say. Maybe the twentieth time you call heavyweights fat guys who eat everything someone will laugh. Maybe the twenty first. 4 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 What I think is stalling on top is clearly not in NCAA. As mentioned, it is not called consistently either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 If you are on top, winning the match and the bottom man can't get off bottom then you must be stalling cause you aren't giving the other guy a chance to beat you, thus the ref will give him a chance - stalling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 How many guys have been hit for stalling for riding someone like Starocci or Brooks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manatree Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, PSULou64 said: After watching a ton of matches this season i'd really like some clarification on top stalling. If it's a Hawkeye on top, it's wrestling. If it's anyone else on top, it's stalling. Clear enough? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLCarnegieTech_1969 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) In the top position-stalling is when the top man is riding parallel to the hips and not trying to improve his position. If the top man is out to the side, perpendicular and working to break down or turn the bottom man, stalling should not be called. It used to be the top man could just prevent the bottom man from scoring. That is not the case any more. The powers that be are trying to make the sport more exciting for the attention span-less viewers that cannot enjoy a 2-1 or 3-2 struggle. Thus the burden seems to be more on the top man. Refs are out of control trying to insert themselves in matches this year, ensuring the pace is the match is always up tempo. If I want to stall or work the edge then I will. Has anybody noticed how much more refs are inserting themselves in matches, instructing the participants to improve their position, work to the center, get out of the fingers, keep it legal. etc. etc. It's a hodgepodge of nothingness that sounds like a broken record. I would love for a wrestler to tell a ref: Have you ever thought that it might not be that easy? Or just to shut the hell up. Edited February 26 by KLCarnegieTech_1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 An obvious ongoing lack of effort to work for back points imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 When I wrestled back in the Pleistocene a guy was expected to work towards back points if he was on top. I've noticed a lot of guys just riding these days and not working for points. That would've been called stalling back in my day. Back then we didn't have techfalls, or 4 point nearfalls, or 3 point takedowns either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said: In the top position-stalling is when the top man is riding parallel to the hips and not trying to improve his position. If the top man is out to the side, perpendicular and working to break down or turn the bottom man, stalling should not be called. It used to be the top man could just prevent the bottom man from scoring. That is not the case any more. The powers that be are trying to make the sport more exciting for the attention span-less viewers that cannot enjoy a 2-1 or 3-2 struggle. Thus the burden seems to be more on the top man. Refs are out of control trying to insert themselves in matches this year, ensuring the pace is the match is always up tempo. If I want to stall or work the edge then I will. Has anybody noticed how much more refs are inserting themselves in matches, instructing the participants to improve their position, work to the center, get out of the fingers, keep it legal. etc. etc. It's a hodgepodge of nothingness that sounds like a broken record. I would love for a wrestler to tell a ref: Have you ever thought that it might not be that easy? Or just to shut the hell up. Refs have always installed themselves in matches. Hometown reffing is still a big thing in wrestling, and it was back in my day too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLCarnegieTech_1969 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 15 minutes ago, NM1965 said: Refs have always installed themselves in matches. Hometown reffing is still a big thing in wrestling, and it was back in my day too. Refs did not assert themselves in the 70s and 80s like they do now. They do more now to justify their existence. It isn't necessary to constantly be told where to wrestle on the mat, to keep it legal, to get out of the fingers and to work to improve. Refs were there to make sure the wrestlers were safe and followed basic rules of engagement. Now that they are mik'ed up they probably play to the listening audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Getting back points is so hard at the D1 level unless there is a large mismatch in ability. In 90% of the matches there is not going to be a turn from the top. IMO, that is not because the top guy is not trying, he just knows it is not going to happen, so the best strategy is to ride, hope to get a riding time point or at least collect enough riding time so the the opponent does not get that point. and at the same same time so enough effort that you don't get a stall call. In a fairly even match, the bottom wrestler is usually active that top guy spends all his effort just countering his stand ups etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLCarnegieTech_1969 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 6 hours ago, PSULou64 said: After watching a ton of matches this season i'd really like some clarification on top stalling. The NCAA clearly stated they would be more aggressive in calling it but for the life of me it seems to be arbitrarily called at best. Can a claw ride be anything but a ride? Can hips over hips with no bar, half, etc., be anything but a ride? As you have watched this season what are your thoughts? In most cases a claw ride, or a figure four and a power half are used to "break, incapacitate, or wear down the bottom man. This, in my opinion is not stalling. It's working to maintain an advantage over your opponent. Parallel hips, not working to improve is stalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLCarnegieTech_1969 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Just now, Jim L said: Getting back points is so hard at the D1 level unless there is a large mismatch in ability. In 90% of the matches there is not going to be a turn from the top. IMO, that is not because the top guy is not trying, he just knows it is not going to happen, so the best strategy is to ride, hope to get a riding time point or at least collect enough riding time so the the opponent does not get that point. and at the same same time so enough effort that you don't get a stall call. In a fairly even match, the bottom wrestler is usually active that top guy spends all his effort just countering his stand ups etc. Nicely put! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Kong Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Falling asleep with two legs in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said: Refs did not assert themselves in the 70s and 80s like they do now. They do more now to justify their existence. It isn't necessary to constantly be told where to wrestle on the mat, to keep it legal, to get out of the fingers and to work to improve. Refs were there to make sure the wrestlers were safe and followed basic rules of engagement. Now that they are mik'ed up they probably play to the listening audience. I think you are hearing that more because Refs are mik'ed up. Refs have been saying work to improve, keep it legal, etc. forever. You just couldn't hear it as much before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said: In most cases a claw ride, or a figure four and a power half are used to "break, incapacitate, or wear down the bottom man. This, in my opinion is not stalling. It's working to maintain an advantage over your opponent. Parallel hips, not working to improve is stalling. I don't see the different between figuring four the leg and staying parallel. Neither is trying to turn or break a guy down and both could be said you are incapacitate or wearing a guy down, heck if you are parallel you at least have already broken the guy down. Both are stalling in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLCarnegieTech_1969 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 16 minutes ago, Jim L said: Getting back points is so hard at the D1 level unless there is a large mismatch in ability. In 90% of the matches there is not going to be a turn from the top. IMO, that is not because the top guy is not trying, he just knows it is not going to happen, so the best strategy is to ride, hope to get a riding time point or at least collect enough riding time so the the opponent does not get that point. and at the same same time so enough effort that you don't get a stall call. In a fairly even match, the bottom wrestler is usually active that top guy spends all his effort just countering his stand ups etc. Nicely put! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLCarnegieTech_1969 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 11 minutes ago, Dogbone said: I don't see the different between figuring four the leg and staying parallel. Neither is trying to turn or break a guy down and both could be said you are incapacitate or wearing a guy down, heck if you are parallel you at least have already broken the guy down. Both are stalling in my opinion. The absence of scoring is not stalling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, manatree said: If it's a Hawkeye on top, it's wrestling. If it's anyone else on top, it's stalling. Clear enough? Yeah, right. Woods was called for stalling while working for a tilt. There were about 3 top stalling calls against Iowa wrestlers in the Nebraska match alone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 55 minutes ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said: The absence of scoring is not stalling. That was your takeaway from my comments?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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