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I think they are using ranking points for seeding. If so...

At 57kg Zane Richards should be the #1 seed as he has the most points in the region at 6,520. Darian Cruz (PUR) is a close second at 5,480 points. Canada's Treye Trotman is third in the region at 0 points (I got a chuckle out of that on the UWW site).

Though this suggest otherwise I think.

At 65kg Sebastian Rivera (PUR) leads the region with 46,000 points, followed by Nick Lee at 31,200 and Augustin Destribats at 26,600. So I assume they are the top three seeds. I could not find Austin Gomez as the list only shows the top 20 in the world. But he did earn points in Serbia, so not zero, and perhaps he will be the four seed. Not sure where the Cubans stand as they do not seem to participate much in the ranking events.

Again this suggests otherwise, I think. Weird that Rivera is not in the top 4?

If anyone know the relationship between Draw Ranks and Seeds, let me know.

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I don't know why UWW has the top seeds listed like that, but the "draw rank" lists are just the top seeds alphabetically by country. The top seeds appear to be correct if you look at the printable entry list: https://arena.uww.org/weight-category/1eebc07c-3a32-6bf0-8a63-dd02aceb3ba6

I assume Seabass isn't there (or is not allowed to compete) because he's already qualified for Paris from Worlds last year.

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21 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

I don't know why UWW has the top seeds listed like that, but the "draw rank" lists are just the top seeds alphabetically by country. The top seeds appear to be correct if you look at the printable entry list: https://arena.uww.org/weight-category/1eebc07c-3a32-6bf0-8a63-dd02aceb3ba6

I assume Seabass isn't there (or is not allowed to compete) because he's already qualified for Paris from Worlds last year.

Well that makes sense

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25 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

I don't know why UWW has the top seeds listed like that, but the "draw rank" lists are just the top seeds alphabetically by country. The top seeds appear to be correct if you look at the printable entry list: https://arena.uww.org/weight-category/1eebc07c-3a32-6bf0-8a63-dd02aceb3ba6

I assume Seabass isn't there (or is not allowed to compete) because he's already qualified for Paris from Worlds last year.

Now, why are there two US entries at 57 and 65?

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4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Now, why are there two US entries at 57 and 65?

Same reason Zach Esposito was listed at 61 a few years ago - it's a glitch where the training partner is also listed.

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9 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

I don't know why UWW has the top seeds listed like that, but the "draw rank" lists are just the top seeds alphabetically by country. The top seeds appear to be correct if you look at the printable entry list: https://arena.uww.org/weight-category/1eebc07c-3a32-6bf0-8a63-dd02aceb3ba6

I assume Seabass isn't there (or is not allowed to compete) because he's already qualified for Paris from Worlds last year.

Olympic qualifiers are allowed to compete this week at Pan Am Champs just not the qualifier. That's why we have seen Helen, Adeline, Dake, Snyder, and Parris this week.

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1 hour ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said:

Zane will have had tougher goes in his tournament simulations:

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Fun fact: One of Zane Richards' training partner has the same # of NCAA titles as RBY. And he was so good they had to change the rules because of him. Nobody ever changed any rules for Mr. Bravo Young just sayin

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49 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Fun fact: One of Zane Richards' training partner has the same # of NCAA titles as RBY. And he was so good they had to change the rules because of him. Nobody ever changed any rules for Mr. Bravo Young just sayin

The list of guys with two NCAA titles that they did not change any rules for is long. Why single out RBY.

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2 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Fun fact: One of Zane Richards' training partner has the same # of NCAA titles as RBY. And he was so good they had to change the rules because of him. Nobody ever changed any rules for Mr. Bravo Young just sayin

They just didn't know how to handle the "arm behind the back" stance or the "run to the edge" in big matches, or they would have made changes.

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4 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Because they're in the same bracket this week

But he is implying that he is better than RBY. How does having a guy whose skill is no longer allowed in folkstyle helpful in freestyle? Just a weird comparison and weak way to knock RBY.

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2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

But he is implying that he is better than RBY. How does having a guy whose skill is no longer allowed in folkstyle helpful in freestyle? Just a weird comparison and weak way to knock RBY.

I disagree that the skill is no longer allowed in folkstyle. On the contrary, the funk roll happens all the time. It is less successful nowadays because folks have had years to plan how to defend against it. Moreover, nobody was ever as good at it as Jesse Delgado. It was an important part of his offense against top-tier wrestlers. 

Nowadays, it is mostly a last line of desperate defense. 

What set Jesse apart was that he studied it and practiced it and refined it so that he moved smoothly from point A to point B and then points C and D and so on. He didn't stay on his back like some other fellows. I asked him about it in a recent interview, and he said that he was afraid that a ref in a hostile gym would call a pinfall against him, so he moved with alacrity. In fact, he said the new danger rule would have benefited him. (25:15 in video below). I agree with him. His opponents would've been the ones in trouble. 

 

 

He had other weapons as well. Nobody has a 9-0 lifetime takedown advantage over Nashon Garrett who doesn't have a full quiver of arrows. 

Besides being incredibly skilled, he was also a college teammate of Zane's. They have had a long-lasting friendship. Then, there are the other BAMFs on that couch. Pretty amazing, and I would say the best 57kg room in the world. 

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4 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

But he is implying that he is better than RBY. How does having a guy whose skill is no longer allowed in folkstyle helpful in freestyle? Just a weird comparison and weak way to knock RBY.

I expected better from you. I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. Genuinely. 

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So we are all in agreement, we would prefer Richards avoid RBY.

Obviously other than fandom there's no real reason to believe RIchards isn't the favorite in the proposed matchup, but... I, like many of you, think RBY is dangerous for anyone, and Richards could beat somebody 10x in a row and I'd still be iffy in the confidence department, so we can all hold our collective breath until draws come out and then during the tournament. 

Nick Boone, obviously it would be advantageous to avoid Tobier, but even if he doesn't, the % chance an aged Tobier gets him out of there within the first 60 seconds is wildly slim.... The % chance Tobier gasses and gets teched in a match with Lee that goes over 3 minutes is >90%.... 

65kg is clearly the more important to get qualified here (I think whoever is the rep at 57kg will easily get it qualified at the Last Chance event) 

But eh, it'll be a fun watch 

 

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1 hour ago, Spladle08 said:

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So we are all in agreement, we would prefer Richards avoid RBY.

Obviously other than fandom there's no real reason to believe RIchards isn't the favorite in the proposed matchup, but... I, like many of you, think RBY is dangerous for anyone, and Richards could beat somebody 10x in a row and I'd still be iffy in the confidence department, so we can all hold our collective breath until draws come out and then during the tournament. 

Nick Boone, obviously it would be advantageous to avoid Tobier, but even if he doesn't, the % chance an aged Tobier gets him out of there within the first 60 seconds is wildly slim.... The % chance Tobier gasses and gets teched in a match with Lee that goes over 3 minutes is >90%.... 

65kg is clearly the more important to get qualified here (I think whoever is the rep at 57kg will easily get it qualified at the Last Chance event) 

But eh, it'll be a fun watch 

 

I think Nick Lee gets Austin Gomez and  Destribats gets Tobier (if I am reading things correctly).

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3 hours ago, Spladle08 said:

🙂 
So we are all in agreement, we would prefer Richards avoid RBY.

Obviously other than fandom there's no real reason to believe RIchards isn't the favorite in the proposed matchup, but... I, like many of you, think RBY is dangerous for anyone, and Richards could beat somebody 10x in a row and I'd still be iffy in the confidence department, so we can all hold our collective breath until draws come out and then during the tournament. 

Nick Boone, obviously it would be advantageous to avoid Tobier, but even if he doesn't, the % chance an aged Tobier gets him out of there within the first 60 seconds is wildly slim.... The % chance Tobier gasses and gets teched in a match with Lee that goes over 3 minutes is >90%.... 

65kg is clearly the more important to get qualified here (I think whoever is the rep at 57kg will easily get it qualified at the Last Chance event) 

But eh, it'll be a fun watch 

 

Where ya been all season, man? We've missed you on the College forum. Nice to hear from you.

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Here's a little preview of the Qualifiers (I'm using the entry list with the seeds as a basis for this).

*Reminder - A wrestler only needs to make the finals to qualify. Thus the only opponents that matter are those that are seeded on the same side or get drawn in the same side*
 

Men Free
57KG - Zane Richards - Seeded #2 
11 man bracket meaning Zane will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #3 seed - Guesseppe Ricardo REA VILLARROEL of Ecuador (Just won bronze at Pan-Ams losing to VEN in semis by tech)

Random draws - RBY of Mexico and Cruz of Puerto Rico. Zane has beat Cruz multiple times and they haven't been close. RBY is the wildcard here. If he gets drawn on the opposite side then I don't think Zane has a problem with anyone else. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA - 5th. Lost to Lee and COL
CAN - DNC
CRC - Lost to ECU
GUA - 5th. Lost to VEN and ECU
MEX - DNC
PER - Lost to COL
PUR - DNC

65KG - Nick Lee - Seeded #1
12 man bracket meaning Lee will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Austin Klee GOMEZ of Mexico (The only real landmine in the draw)

Random draws - Lachlan McNeil is the only other notable wrestler to be drawn in.

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BAH - 3rd. Lost to ARG. Beat PER and DOM.
BRA - No entry
CAN - DNC
CHI - Lost to COL
COL - Lost to CAN
DOM - 5th. Lost to ARG and DOM. 
ECU - 3rd. Teched by Lee. 
PER - Lost to BAH

Women

53KG - Dom Parrish - Seeded #1
11 woman bracket meaning Dom will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Antonia Alejandra VALDES ARRIAGADA of CHI (teched by CUBA at pan-ams)

Random draws - Cuba seems to be the only one. Shouldn't be an issue as Gomez beat her this past weekend by tech. DOM beat Canada by fall and had a close match with VEN the 3rd seed. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA - Lost to CUB
COL - Lost to CAN
CUB - 5th. Lost to ECU and USA (Gomez by tech).
DOM - 3rd. Lost to VEN. Beat CAN. 
MEX - DNC
PAN - Lost to DOM
PER - Lost to USA

62KG - Kayla Miracle - Seeded #1
9 woman bracket meaning Kayla will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Astrid Paola MONTERO CHIRINOS of VEN (Miracle beat by fall in semis but was down 5-0)

Random draws - Shouldn't really have any issue with anyone in the draw. Cuba has a closish match with Brazil in the quarters losing 5-0. The big match is the semi with VEN.

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
COL - DNC
CUB - Lost to BRA
JAM - Lost to COL
MEX - 5th. Lost to CAN and BRA
PUR - Lost to CUB
 

68KG - Amit Elor - Not Seeded
9 woman bracket meaning Elor will need to win a quarter and semi and potentially a prelim.

Random Draw - Without a seed there is no telling where Elor will be. CAN is the biggest obstacle here as a former world champ and a bronze this past year. Neither side looks more difficult than the other. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA - DNC
CAN - DNC (Morais - World Champ at 59 in 2019 and 3rd at 68 in 2022)
CHI - No entry
COL (#1 seed) - 5th. Lost to CAN and USA (Glaude 3-3)
CUB (#4 seed) - Lost to MEX 
ECU (#3 seed) - 3rd. Lost to VEN. Beat MEX.
MEX - 5th. Lost to VEN and ECU. Beat CUB.
VEN (#2 seed) - 2nd. Beat ECU and MEX. INJ in finals.

Greco
60KG - Ildar Hafizov - Seeded #1
10 man bracket meaning Ildar will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Dicther Hans TORO CASTANEDA of COL. (Miranda teched at pan-ams but has beat Hafizov previously)

Random draws - DOM looks to be the toughest test if he lands on the same side. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA - Lost to CHI
CAN - Lost to DOM
CHI - 5th. Lost to VEN and DOM. Beat BRA.
DOM - 3rd. Lost to VEN. Beat CAN and CHI.
ECU - Lost to MEX.
MEX - DNC
 

67KG - Alejandro Sancho - Seeded #1
12 man bracket meaning Sancho will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Almanza Truyol NESTOR EVIAN of CHI (Sancho beat in close 3-1 match at pan-ams)

Random draws - Sancho seems to always have a one technique match. He can go out and win it or lose first round it feels like. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
ARG - Lost to COL. Beat MEX.
BRA - No entry
CAN - 5th. Lost to ECU and COL. Beat GUA. 
DOM - 5th. Lost to Sancho (4-3) and CHI. Beat PUR. 
GUA - DNC
MEX - DNC
PER - Lost to CHI.
PUR - DNC.

77KG - Kamal Bey - Seeded #2
12 man bracket meaning Bey will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #3 seed - Rivas Espinoza WUILEIXIS DE JESUS of VEN (Bey teched at pan-ams)

Random draws - ARG has Arsen Julfalakyan entered who has a world and olympic title and 3 other medals to his name. Most recently he won a bronze in 2019 at the Euros. Obviously has the highest credentials of the rest of the group combined. But he is 36 now and hasn't had a world result in 10 years. COL is the other potential obstacle in the bracket as he beat Bey just this past week. Bey has beaten him before, as has RaVaughn and PSmith, as recently as last year. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
ARG - No entry
CAN - Lost to GUA.
CHI - 5th. Lost to BRA and CUB.
COL - 1st. Beat PAN & VEN, Bey (6-6), and BRA.
GUA - Lost to Bey by tech. Beat CAN.
MEX - DNC
PAN - Lost to COL and VEN. 
PUR - Lost to CUB. Beat MEX.  

87KG - Spencer Woods - Not Seeded
8 man bracket meaning Woods will need to win a quarter and semi

Random draws - Hope that Spencer gets drawn into the bottom half and the top has CUB, who has dominated the Pan-Ams the past few years, and COL, the guy that beat him this past weekend. Either way. Don't expect this to be qualified. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA (#3 seed) - Lost to HON.
CHI - 5th. Lost to CUB and COL. Beat MEX.
COL (#4 seed) - 3rd. Lost to CUB. Beat Woods and CHI.
CUB (#1 seed) - 1st. Beat CHI, COL, and VEN.
HON - 3rd. Lost to VEN. Beat BRA & ARG. 
MEX - Lost to CHI
VEN (#2 seed) - 2nd. Lost to CUB. Beat ARG & HON.
 

97KG - Alan Vera - Seeded #2
8 man bracket meaning Vera will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #3 seed - Luillys Jose PEREZ MORA of VEN (Vera beat 5-3 at pan-ams)

Random draws - This one feels like it's a pretty easy rode to the semis. But Vera has dropped some strange matches. He really should make the finals though. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
ARG - 5th. Lost to HON and DOM. 
BRA - Lost to VEN. 
DOM - 3rd. Lost to HON. Beat ARG and BRA.
MEX -  5th. Lost to Vera and VEN.
PAN -  Lost to VEN.

130KG - Cohlton Schultz - Seeded #1
6 man bracket meaning Cohlton will need to win a semi
Semi #4 seed - Acosta Fernandez YASMANI of CHI

Random draws - None to worry about as neither are beating Acosta. Acosta (the former cuban) has beaten Coon a few times rather easily. I'm not sure is Cohlton was wrestled him previously but I would have Acosta as the favorite. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
CAN - Lost to Schultz (6-0) and VEN. Beat MEX.
MEX - DNC


BOTTOM LINE - The men free should qualify both. The women should qualify all 3 but Miracle is iffy. Greco should get 1 in Ildar, Vera, Sancho, and Bey are 50/50. Schultz will need and upset. Woods will need his lucky rabbits foot. 

 I predict all the freestyle weights get qualified and 3 greco (60, 67, 77).

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Here's a little preview of the Qualifiers (I'm using the entry list with the seeds as a basis for this).

*Reminder - A wrestler only needs to make the finals to qualify. Thus the only opponents that matter are those that are seeded on the same side or get drawn in the same side*
 
Men Free
57KG - Zane Richards - Seeded #2 
11 man bracket meaning Zane will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #3 seed - Guesseppe Ricardo REA VILLARROEL of Ecuador (Just won bronze at Pan-Ams losing to VEN in semis by tech)

Random draws - RBY of Mexico and Cruz of Puerto Rico. Zane has beat Cruz multiple times and they haven't been close. RBY is the wildcard here. If he gets drawn on the opposite side then I don't think Zane has a problem with anyone else. 
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA - 5th. Lost to Lee and COL
CAN - DNC
CRC - Lost to ECU
GUA - 5th. Lost to VEN and ECU
MEX - DNC
PER - Lost to COL
PUR - DNC
65KG - Nick Lee - Seeded #1
12 man bracket meaning Lee will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Austin Klee GOMEZ of Mexico (The only real landmine in the draw)

Random draws - Lachlan McNeil is the only other notable wrestler to be drawn in.
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BAH - 3rd. Lost to ARG. Beat PER and DOM.
BRA - No entry
CAN - DNC
CHI - Lost to COL
COL - Lost to CAN
DOM - 5th. Lost to ARG and DOM. 
ECU - 3rd. Teched by Lee. 
PER - Lost to BAH

Women
53KG - Dom Parrish - Seeded #1
11 woman bracket meaning Dom will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Antonia Alejandra VALDES ARRIAGADA of CHI (teched by CUBA at pan-ams)

Random draws - Cuba seems to be the only one. Shouldn't be an issue as Gomez beat her this past weekend by tech. DOM beat Canada by fall and had a close match with VEN the 3rd seed. 
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA - Lost to CUB
COL - Lost to CAN
CUB - 5th. Lost to ECU and USA (Gomez by tech).
DOM - 3rd. Lost to VEN. Beat CAN. 
MEX - DNC
PAN - Lost to DOM
PER - Lost to USA
62KG - Kayla Miracle - Seeded #1
9 woman bracket meaning Kayla will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Astrid Paola MONTERO CHIRINOS of VEN (Miracle beat by fall in semis but was down 5-0)

Random draws - Shouldn't really have any issue with anyone in the draw. Cuba has a closish match with Brazil in the quarters losing 5-0. The big match is the semi with VEN.
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
COL - DNC
CUB - Lost to BRA
JAM - Lost to COL
MEX - 5th. Lost to CAN and BRA
PUR - Lost to CUB
 
68KG - Amit Elor - Not Seeded
9 woman bracket meaning Elor will need to win a quarter and semi and potentially a prelim.

Random Draw - Without a seed there is no telling where Elor will be. CAN is the biggest obstacle here as a former world champ and a bronze this past year. Neither side looks more difficult than the other. 

Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA - DNC
CAN - DNC (Morais - World Champ at 59 in 2019 and 3rd at 68 in 2022)
CHI - No entry
COL (#1 seed) - 5th. Lost to CAN and USA (Glaude 3-3)
CUB (#4 seed) - Lost to MEX 
ECU (#3 seed) - 3rd. Lost to VEN. Beat MEX.
MEX - 5th. Lost to VEN and ECU. Beat CUB.
VEN (#2 seed) - 2nd. Beat ECU and MEX. INJ in finals.
Greco
60KG - Ildar Hafizov - Seeded #1
10 man bracket meaning Ildar will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Dicther Hans TORO CASTANEDA of COL. (Miranda teched at pan-ams but has beat Hafizov previously)

Random draws - DOM looks to be the toughest test if he lands on the same side. 
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA - Lost to CHI
CAN - Lost to DOM
CHI - 5th. Lost to VEN and DOM. Beat BRA.
DOM - 3rd. Lost to VEN. Beat CAN and CHI.
ECU - Lost to MEX.
MEX - DNC
 
67KG - Alejandro Sancho - Seeded #1
12 man bracket meaning Sancho will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #4 seed - Almanza Truyol NESTOR EVIAN of CHI (Sancho beat in close 3-1 match at pan-ams)

Random draws - Sancho seems to always have a one technique match. He can go out and win it or lose first round it feels like. 
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
ARG - Lost to COL. Beat MEX.
BRA - No entry
CAN - 5th. Lost to ECU and COL. Beat GUA. 
DOM - 5th. Lost to Sancho (4-3) and CHI. Beat PUR. 
GUA - DNC
MEX - DNC
PER - Lost to CHI.
PUR - DNC.

77KG - Kamal Bey - Seeded #2
12 man bracket meaning Bey will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #3 seed - Rivas Espinoza WUILEIXIS DE JESUS of VEN (Bey teched at pan-ams)

Random draws - ARG has Arsen Julfalakyan entered who has a world and olympic title and 3 other medals to his name. Most recently he won a bronze in 2019 at the Euros. Obviously has the highest credentials of the rest of the group combined. But he is 36 now and hasn't had a world result in 10 years. COL is the other potential obstacle in the bracket as he beat Bey just this past week. Bey has beaten him before, as has RaVaughn and PSmith, as recently as last year. 
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
ARG - No entry
CAN - Lost to GUA.
CHI - 5th. Lost to BRA and CUB.
COL - 1st. Beat PAN & VEN, Bey (6-6), and BRA.
GUA - Lost to Bey by tech. Beat CAN.
MEX - DNC
PAN - Lost to COL and VEN. 
PUR - Lost to CUB. Beat MEX.  
87KG - Spencer Woods - Not Seeded
8 man bracket meaning Woods will need to win a quarter and semi

Random draws - Hope that Spencer gets drawn into the bottom half and the top has CUB, who has dominated the Pan-Ams the past few years, and COL, the guy that beat him this past weekend. Either way. Don't expect this to be qualified. 
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
BRA (#3 seed) - Lost to HON.
CHI - 5th. Lost to CUB and COL. Beat MEX.
COL (#4 seed) - 3rd. Lost to CUB. Beat Woods and CHI.
CUB (#1 seed) - 1st. Beat CHI, COL, and VEN.
HON - 3rd. Lost to VEN. Beat BRA & ARG. 
MEX - Lost to CHI
VEN (#2 seed) - 2nd. Lost to CUB. Beat ARG & HON.
 
97KG - Alan Vera - Seeded #2
8 man bracket meaning Vera will need to win a quarter and semi
Semi #3 seed - Luillys Jose PEREZ MORA of VEN (Vera beat 5-3 at pan-ams)

Random draws - This one feels like it's a pretty easy rode to the semis. But Vera has dropped some strange matches. He really should make the finals though. 
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
ARG - 5th. Lost to HON and DOM. 
BRA - Lost to VEN. 
DOM - 3rd. Lost to HON. Beat ARG and BRA.
MEX -  5th. Lost to Vera and VEN.
PAN -  Lost to VEN.

77KG - Cohlton Schultz - Seeded #1
6 man bracket meaning Cohlton will need to win a semi
Semi #4 seed - Acosta Fernandez YASMANI of CHI

Random draws - None to worry about as neither are beating Acosta. Acosta (the former cuban) has beaten Coon a few times rather easily. I'm not sure is Cohlton was wrestled him previously but I would have Acosta as the favorite. 
Results from Pan-Am Champs 
CAN - Lost to Schultz (6-0) and VEN. Beat MEX.
MEX - DNC
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