JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So you admit you have not examples and are lazy and lost this argument? Great. Thank you for butting in to make no point whatsoever. No. I admit that I know it’s happening and in some places for over a decade already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: That was a joke. In reference to underpants gnomes. Do you get it now? You are missing some key steps in your plan to make it viable or relevant. A young'un would've gotten it. I’m not missing anything. The only joke around here is you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So you admit you have not examples and are lazy and lost this argument? Great. Thank you for butting in to make no point whatsoever. https://www.urbanfarming.org/garden-locations.html It’s fun educating you. Edited March 5 by JimmyBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, jross said: Please read Will's post in full to expand one thinking of how travel also makes those who travel become more conservative. "(Will) I firmly maintain that true global travel will turn anyone into a raging conservative. It did me." As for me personally, travel has make me more open to some social services but still largely a bill-of-rights conservative. Been to 49 USA states and about 10 countries. So you're saying that a priest that assaults members of their congregation is an accurate representation of everyone in the entire system? See how ridiculous that sounds? That is how you just tried to prove your point about travel. Does one instance make something true in the aggregate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 9 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So you admit you have not examples and are lazy and lost this argument? Great. Thank you for butting in to make no point whatsoever. https://www.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-agricultural-production-systems/urban-agriculture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 10 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So you admit you have not examples and are lazy and lost this argument? Great. Thank you for butting in to make no point whatsoever. https://www.miufi.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 11 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So you admit you have not examples and are lazy and lost this argument? Great. Thank you for butting in to make no point whatsoever. https://www.farmers.gov/sites/default/files/202205-usda-urban-ag-at-a-glance-redesign-v7.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 13 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So you admit you have not examples and are lazy and lost this argument? Great. Thank you for butting in to make no point whatsoever. https://grocycle.com/urban-farming/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 16 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So you admit you have not examples and are lazy and lost this argument? Great. Thank you for butting in to make no point whatsoever. I will say this about you. You’re damn good at making yourself look stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 36 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: https://grocycle.com/urban-farming/ Do you understand the context of the hole you've dug yourself into? The suggestion was that a person or family could grow their own food or raise livestock to make ends meet. You've sited a project backed by a city/local government with money that maybe but not necessarily available to the people in the scenario we were talking about. You've offered a solution to a problem that we are not talking about. That something similar to farming is happening does not address the issue that we(royal we), not YOU, were discussing. I'm glad this is happening. Hope it works. But you haven't addressed the issues at hand. You just moved the goal posts, as usual, to distract from the fact that your solution breaks down at some point and you can't reconcile it. (the 'personal choices' idiocy you always bark at every scenario, in case you forgot, which by your several rambling posts, you did) Someone cannot simply decide to grow their own food, on their own property(if they happen to own it, but more likely rent) and feed themselves and/or their family for an entire year. Without significant cost to do so. Which is the whole issue. So this option is not feasible to offset the cost of food at a grocery store. I'm glad we can all agree to this now. Thank you. It has been a wonderful journey and we're all better for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Do you understand the context of the hole you've dug yourself into? The suggestion was that a person or family could grow their own food or raise livestock to make ends meet. You've sited a project backed by a city/local government with money that maybe but not necessarily available to the people in the scenario we were talking about. You've offered a solution to a problem that we are not talking about. That something similar to farming is happening does not address the issue that we(royal we), not YOU, were discussing. I'm glad this is happening. Hope it works. But you haven't addressed the issues at hand. You just moved the goal posts, as usual, to distract from the fact that your solution breaks down at some point and you can't reconcile it. (the 'personal choices' idiocy you always bark at every scenario, in case you forgot, which by your several rambling posts, you did) Someone cannot simply decide to grow their own food, on their own property(if they happen to own it, but more likely rent) and feed themselves and/or their family for an entire year. Without significant cost to do so. Which is the whole issue. So this option is not feasible to offset the cost of food at a grocery store. I'm glad we can all agree to this now. Thank you. It has been a wonderful journey and we're all better for it. They CAN and they DO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just now, JimmyBT said: They CAN and they DO. 7 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Do you understand the context of the hole you've dug yourself into? The suggestion was that a person or family could grow their own food or raise livestock to make ends meet. You've sited a project backed by a city/local government with money that maybe but not necessarily available to the people in the scenario we were talking about. You've offered a solution to a problem that we are not talking about. That something similar to farming is happening does not address the issue that we(royal we), not YOU, were discussing. I'm glad this is happening. Hope it works. But you haven't addressed the issues at hand. You just moved the goal posts, as usual, to distract from the fact that your solution breaks down at some point and you can't reconcile it. (the 'personal choices' idiocy you always bark at every scenario, in case you forgot, which by your several rambling posts, you did) Someone cannot simply decide to grow their own food, on their own property(if they happen to own it, but more likely rent) and feed themselves and/or their family for an entire year. Without significant cost to do so. Which is the whole issue. So this option is not feasible to offset the cost of food at a grocery store. I'm glad we can all agree to this now. Thank you. It has been a wonderful journey and we're all better for it. There are also cities in the country making it legal to raise chickens with in city limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 34 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Do you understand the context of the hole you've dug yourself into? The suggestion was that a person or family could grow their own food or raise livestock to make ends meet. You've sited a project backed by a city/local government with money that maybe but not necessarily available to the people in the scenario we were talking about. You've offered a solution to a problem that we are not talking about. That something similar to farming is happening does not address the issue that we(royal we), not YOU, were discussing. I'm glad this is happening. Hope it works. But you haven't addressed the issues at hand. You just moved the goal posts, as usual, to distract from the fact that your solution breaks down at some point and you can't reconcile it. (the 'personal choices' idiocy you always bark at every scenario, in case you forgot, which by your several rambling posts, you did) Someone cannot simply decide to grow their own food, on their own property(if they happen to own it, but more likely rent) and feed themselves and/or their family for an entire year. Without significant cost to do so. Which is the whole issue. So this option is not feasible to offset the cost of food at a grocery store. I'm glad we can all agree to this now. Thank you. It has been a wonderful journey and we're all better for it. This guy even made his own medicines and vitamins. Plenty out there just like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 25 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: There are also cities in the country making it legal to raise chickens with in city limits. You've lost the thread of this argument. Your goal posts are moved so far you aren't even having the same conversation. With yourself, mind you. And you're losing, if that is possible. Well done. Gonna use small words for this one. A person in a bad money spot. Cannot invest money the don't have to buy the things needed to grow food or raise cattle or chickens in a city/suburb. Whether the local laws are being changed or not. Sorry that you're having a mini meltdown about this but it isn't possible. You've given plenty of cover for the person that offered the idea in the first place and drove it off the rails. You've gone so far trying to rehab this moronic point that you aren't addressing anything close to the original issue. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 But JBT, you just don't understand. It just can't be done, do you not understand that? No matter how many examples you provide, it just can't be done. It doesn't matter that people have done it. It just can't be done. mspart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: You've lost the thread of this argument. Your goal posts are moved so far you aren't even having the same conversation. With yourself, mind you. And you're losing, if that is possible. Well done. Gonna use small words for this one. A person in a bad money spot. Cannot invest money the don't have to buy the things needed to grow food or raise cattle or chickens in a city/suburb. Whether the local laws are being changed or not. Sorry that you're having a mini meltdown about this but it isn't possible. You've given plenty of cover for the person that offered the idea in the first place and drove it off the rails. You've gone so far trying to rehab this moronic point that you aren't addressing anything close to the original issue. Hope this helps. https://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/food-self-sufficiency-zm0z12onzkon/ there’s roadmaps out there on how to do it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, mspart said: But JBT, you just don't understand. It just can't be done, do you not understand that? No matter how many examples you provide, it just can't be done. It doesn't matter that people have done it. It just can't be done. mspart When you wake up every day defeated like he does nothing is possible without help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: You've lost the thread of this argument. Your goal posts are moved so far you aren't even having the same conversation. With yourself, mind you. And you're losing, if that is possible. Well done. Gonna use small words for this one. A person in a bad money spot. Cannot invest money the don't have to buy the things needed to grow food or raise cattle or chickens in a city/suburb. Whether the local laws are being changed or not. Sorry that you're having a mini meltdown about this but it isn't possible. You've given plenty of cover for the person that offered the idea in the first place and drove it off the rails. You've gone so far trying to rehab this moronic point that you aren't addressing anything close to the original issue. Hope this helps. The example of the guy was about a guy that used other peoples front yards in exchange for the food he grew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: You've lost the thread of this argument. Your goal posts are moved so far you aren't even having the same conversation. With yourself, mind you. And you're losing, if that is possible. Well done. Gonna use small words for this one. A person in a bad money spot. Cannot invest money the don't have to buy the things needed to grow food or raise cattle or chickens in a city/suburb. Whether the local laws are being changed or not. Sorry that you're having a mini meltdown about this but it isn't possible. You've given plenty of cover for the person that offered the idea in the first place and drove it off the rails. You've gone so far trying to rehab this moronic point that you aren't addressing anything close to the original issue. Hope this helps. You’re so bad at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 7 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: You've lost the thread of this argument. Your goal posts are moved so far you aren't even having the same conversation. With yourself, mind you. And you're losing, if that is possible. Well done. Gonna use small words for this one. A person in a bad money spot. Cannot invest money the don't have to buy the things needed to grow food or raise cattle or chickens in a city/suburb. Whether the local laws are being changed or not. Sorry that you're having a mini meltdown about this but it isn't possible. You've given plenty of cover for the person that offered the idea in the first place and drove it off the rails. You've gone so far trying to rehab this moronic point that you aren't addressing anything close to the original issue. Hope this helps. https://www.smallfootprintfamily.com/how-much-land-is-needed-to-be-self-sufficient#:~:text=As any of the millions,in a very small space. you don’t even need a lot of space to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 9 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: You've lost the thread of this argument. Your goal posts are moved so far you aren't even having the same conversation. With yourself, mind you. And you're losing, if that is possible. Well done. Gonna use small words for this one. A person in a bad money spot. Cannot invest money the don't have to buy the things needed to grow food or raise cattle or chickens in a city/suburb. Whether the local laws are being changed or not. Sorry that you're having a mini meltdown about this but it isn't possible. You've given plenty of cover for the person that offered the idea in the first place and drove it off the rails. You've gone so far trying to rehab this moronic point that you aren't addressing anything close to the original issue. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 18 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: You've lost the thread of this argument. Your goal posts are moved so far you aren't even having the same conversation. With yourself, mind you. And you're losing, if that is possible. Well done. Gonna use small words for this one. A person in a bad money spot. Cannot invest money the don't have to buy the things needed to grow food or raise cattle or chickens in a city/suburb. Whether the local laws are being changed or not. Sorry that you're having a mini meltdown about this but it isn't possible. You've given plenty of cover for the person that offered the idea in the first place and drove it off the rails. You've gone so far trying to rehab this moronic point that you aren't addressing anything close to the original issue. Hope this helps. If there’s a will there’s a way. Plan it and make it happen. It’s that simple. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 32 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: You've lost the thread of this argument. 14 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: If there’s a will there’s a way. Plan it and make it happen. It’s that simple. Sounds like according to TPT there's only one option and apparently its been available for almost 2 years now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I think the problem with all the methods presented to TPT, what he finds unacceptable, is they involve work. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Yes, work is impossible, that's for sure. As we know, all things just appear or are handed to us as people. That's how we got the car, the computer, the cell phone, the toaster, the hydraulic lift, the shovel, the hoe, etc. The list goes on and on. Oh wait, someone made these and had to work to provide them to other people that paid them money for their expertise in making these things. Now we were given dirt. You can do a lot with dirt but most of that involves work. mspart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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